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replacing wireline phone, best options?

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Matthew Todd - 29 Dec 2003 15:41 GMT
Just out of curiosity I was wondering if there is an ability to install a
repeater or some other device on my home to boost the signal.  We are
considering replacing our wireline phone with a wireless alternative.  The
best option would be where I could have a wireless base unit and several
handsets (3 to 4).  I wouldn't need to boost the signal in the house if
there was such a monster because the base unit would maintain the signal and
the handsets should would as well as our cordless phones do right now (big
assumption).

Anyway, what would be the best options available and has anyone done this?
The biggest issue we have is that currently our cell phones don't receive a
signal throughout our home (in a valley, near the river, far from
interstate, house loaded with metal).  My wireless LAN works will on every
floor and to some degree outside the house (not far enough for any piggy
backs unless they stand on my porch *grin*).

Let me know what you guys/gals think.  I appreciate it.

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yeltrabnhoj@email.com - 29 Dec 2003 18:57 GMT
Cingular has a deal whereby you can cradle your cellphone and it then lets
the old wireline phones use the cellular connection.  If
a) Cingular has decent signal at your home
b) you procure a phone capable of external antenna use, and
c) you hook up an external antenna for the celfon while it's in the cradle,
you're legal.

However, FCC rulings and advice are firm that powered 'boosters' must be
installed by the cellular licensee.

As far as cordless phones at home, the EnGenius high-powered cordless works
pretty well under crappy signal conditions.

On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:41:13 GMT, "Matthew Todd"
<mtoddVeRy@ObViOuSatt.net> wrote:

>Just out of curiosity I was wondering if there is an ability to install a
>repeater or some other device on my home to boost the signal.  We are
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>Let me know what you guys/gals think.  I appreciate it.

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Todd Allcock - 30 Dec 2003 18:06 GMT
> Cingular has a deal whereby you can cradle your cellphone and it then lets
> the old wireline phones use the cellular connection.

Not really.  Everybody seems to be confused about this Cingular
"FastForward" cradle.

The cradle is a gimmick device that simply tells your cellphone to forward
all calls to your landline phone number whenever it's cradled, and cancels
forwarding when you remove the handset from the cradle.  It does nothing you
couldn't do yourself by manually keying in the call forwarding commands, and
of course, requires you to have a landline, which is exactly what the OP is
trying to get rid of!

You might be confusing this device with the "CellSocket", a cradle you stick
your cell phone in and then can connect home phones to.  They are being
dumped all over eBay for under $100, but only work with Nokia 51xx/61xx
phones.

If the original poster REALLY wants to do this (which I think is a BAAAAD
idea unless your home is utterly awash in strong cell signal!)  He should
buy an old T-Mo/Voicestream 5190/6190 on eBay for $10 and get the more
expensive CellSocket with EXTERNAL ANTENNA option (around $90 instead of
$30-50), and rig a cell antenna outside the house.  Then you can plug one of
those cordless phones with gazillion extra handsets into the Cellsocket and
pretend you have wireline service.

Be warned, however, that anything that needs an analog data connection (fax
machine, credit card terminal, TiVo, DBS receiver, PC modem, etc.) will NOT
work through a digital cellphone connection, period.

> However, FCC rulings and advice are firm that powered 'boosters' must be
> installed by the cellular licensee.

Even if he ignored the rules, boosters run $500+.  If the concept here is
saving money, I'm not sure spending $500 to save $25/month for a phone line
is a great savings!

I cut the landline cord for about 6 months knowing that I would be
relo0cating to a new city.  Even though I was in a strong signal area, the
quality of call over wireless wasn't equal to landline, and we had a lot of
"can you hear me now?" type of conversations.  This was through a
CellSocket-like device ("The Gemini Cellular Home Base" now being closed out
at Wal-Mart for $20, but only works with TDMA phones- I was with Cingular at
the time.)

Now I'm relocated to Denver, and I'm actually glad to use a landline again.
Clear call quality, no dropped calls ever, and if I want to occasionally use
my fax machine, no problem!
Joseph - 30 Dec 2003 21:37 GMT
>I cut the landline cord for about 6 months knowing that I would be
>relo0cating to a new city.  Even though I was in a strong signal area, the
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>at Wal-Mart for $20, but only works with TDMA phones- I was with Cingular at
>the time.)

I have been without a land line phone since May of 2002 and have had
absolutely no problems at all.  I am 3-1/2 blocks from the nearest
base station.  For almost a year I used my mobile phone just as it is
and almost no one knew that I didn't have a regular phone.  For the
last year and a half I've been using a Cellsocket and absolutely no
one knows that I don't have a regular phone.  

One of the local TV station's news crew just did a "scare" story about
giving up your land line because police and fire couldn't
automatically determine where you live with a cell phone.  Must have
been a slow news day (this was before the news of the annoyed cow
syndrome broke.)

>Now I'm relocated to Denver, and I'm actually glad to use a landline again.
>Clear call quality, no dropped calls ever, and if I want to occasionally use
>my fax machine, no problem!

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John Richards - 30 Dec 2003 22:24 GMT
> One of the local TV station's news crew just did a "scare" story about
> giving up your land line because police and fire couldn't
> automatically determine where you live with a cell phone.

Seems to me that this is still a valid consideration.
There's also the possibility of your battery dying at an inopportune
moment.  Many people still need a landline for fax and/or
dial-up/DSL internet connectivity.

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Joseph - 31 Dec 2003 02:28 GMT
>> One of the local TV station's news crew just did a "scare" story about
>> giving up your land line because police and fire couldn't
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>moment.  Many people still need a landline for fax and/or
>dial-up/DSL internet connectivity.

Just what did 911 do before they had E911 to determine your number and
address?  They got along somehow.  If you are that worried about
having your phone for 911 access get a land line.  I'm not a nervous
nellie about it.  Anything can happen even with a land line.  A land
line is not a 100% guarantee of your safety either.

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Deadeye - 31 Dec 2003 21:03 GMT
>Just what did 911 do before they had E911 to determine your number and
>address?  They got along somehow.  If you are that worried about
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911 systems display the calling number, address of the phone, and the
person's name that "owns" the phone. This information is provided by
the local phone company, and appears with the first ring. It is called
ANI/ALI I believe, or something very similar. That applies to all
landlines, be they coin phones on the side of the street or the phone
on your desk. They have done this for years. This is not Caller ID,
you cannot block it, if you dial 911 on a landline the
police/fire/emergency communication center gets that information. With
a cell phone, they are LUCKY to get the Caller ID info.

This has lead to several people dying because the caller could not be
located. As a side note, I know of a frustrating 2 hours a good number
of officers spent trying to locate a supposed injury accident, when in
fact it was a moron with a cell phone running them ragged and getting
a kick out of it. The caller was in a position where he could observe
the officers, and kept changing his directions while they looked for a
non-existant car that had NOT run off a major highway and into a
forest.

I do agree that a landline is no guarantee of being able to reach help
if you need it. But then again, neither is a cellphone.
Matthew Todd - 31 Dec 2003 13:21 GMT
> <yeltrabnhoj@email.com> wrote in message

> If the original poster REALLY wants to do this (which I think is a BAAAAD
> idea unless your home is utterly awash in strong cell signal!)  He should
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> those cordless phones with gazillion extra handsets into the Cellsocket and
> pretend you have wireline service.

Sounds interesting.

> Be warned, however, that anything that needs an analog data connection (fax
> machine, credit card terminal, TiVo, DBS receiver, PC modem, etc.) will NOT
> work through a digital cellphone connection, period.

I don't use any of those things.  I have a cable modem, and use onebox for
incoming/outgoing faxes, works fine for 4 years for me.  And if I was really
hard pressed to dial-out I could use an IR and my cell phone to get the free
gprs :)

> Even if he ignored the rules, boosters run $500+.  If the concept here is
> saving money, I'm not sure spending $500 to save $25/month for a phone line
> is a great savings!

Actually with Verizon it's about $65 a month for unlimited long distance and
local calling.  Trim it down a bit and I loose all the features my wife
doesn't use anyway but would kill me if they went away (caller ID, *69,
etc).  And to be honest, I would find it interesting to no longer have a
home number.... I could put my onebox phone number as my home number on
everything (it goes straight to voice mail) and thereby avoiding
telemarketers and annoying calls.  The only people who would reach me were
people who already have my cell phone number.  Hmmmmm.

I would save nearly $50 a month getting a home cell phone and adding it to
my family plan and it would be unlimited for me to call home.  I was reading
the repeaters discussion that took place early in december... very
interesting reading.
dschein - 29 Dec 2003 20:53 GMT
> Just out of curiosity I was wondering if there is an ability to install a
> repeater or some other device on my home to boost the signal.  We are
> considering replacing our wireline phone with a wireless alternative.

Take a look at the device that Cingular has - I havent had chance to
research how it works (yet) but it may be a good solution for your
home phone needs.

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dan SCHEIN
http://www.dschein.com
Mike Schumann - 29 Dec 2003 23:14 GMT
Somebody told me that Hello Direct sells this type of device.

Mike Schumann

> > Just out of curiosity I was wondering if there is an ability to install a
> > repeater or some other device on my home to boost the signal.  We are
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> dan SCHEIN
> http://www.dschein.com
 
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