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Doug - 22 Feb 2007 17:46 GMT
I'm getting ready to get my first cell phone and I've pretty much
decided to use T-Mobile prepaid, at least initially.  I've called the
local store and was told I could use any GSM cell phone but if I don't
get it from them I'll have to pay for a $50 activation kit.  Are the
ones listed on eBay (New Tmobile Prepaid Sim Card 150min incl ToGo
Activated) for around $5.00 really the same?  If so how difficult is it
to put the SIM card in a cell phone that I buy?  If I can do that,
insert the SIM card, how do I get my telephone number?  Is is really as
simple as they say to call T-Mobile and have the area code changed?  
Once the SIM card is put in am I really ready to start using the cell
phone. . . do I even need to go to a T-Mobile store at all?  How is the
SIM card activated once I put it in the cell phone?

Is it really as simple as purchasing the GSM cell phone of my choice,
purchasing the "New Tmobile Prepaid Sim Card 150min incl ToGo Activated"
on eBay and installing the SIM card?  

I apologize for all the dumb questions I'm really new to this cell phone
business and don't want to waste my money by buying things that won't
work.  If there is a website that will walk me through this that would
be great.

Thanks in advance.
-= Hawk =- - 22 Feb 2007 18:05 GMT
>I'm getting ready to get my first cell phone and I've pretty much
>decided to use T-Mobile prepaid, at least initially.  I've called the
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>
>Thanks in advance.

Having recently become more aware of the sheer number of scams and
scammers who inhabit eBay I'd personally never purchase anything through
their site. But that's just me.
BruceR - 22 Feb 2007 19:51 GMT
Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
when using Paypal, you risk very little.  Personally, I have made more
than 600 purchases on ebay as well as over 100 sales and all have gone
fine. I have purchased things for as little a few dollars all the way up
to over $15,000 - including my last 4 cellphones.  All you have to do is
a little homework, IOW, look at who you're buying from, and you should
never get burnt on ebay.

> <snip>
> Having recently become more aware of the sheer number of scams and
> scammers who inhabit eBay I'd personally never purchase anything
> through their site. But that's just me.
-= Hawk =- - 22 Feb 2007 20:18 GMT
>Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
>in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>a little homework, IOW, look at who you're buying from, and you should
>never get burnt on ebay.

I disagree. A quick preusal of their trust and safety board reveals
dozens of people reporting scams daily. These are just the people who
use their forums and/or bright enough not to fall for the myriad of
scams. I haven't bought anything, bid on anything or even asked a seller
any questions in years and yet my inbox is often filled with eBay scams
from fake logins to claims that I've backed out of a contracted bid and
must respond. Ebay is hell.
Kevin McClave - 22 Feb 2007 21:04 GMT
>>Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
>>in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>from fake logins to claims that I've backed out of a contracted bid and
>must respond. Ebay is hell.

You do know those aren't really from e-bay, don't you?

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Kevin McClave

"I believe a place and a people are judged
not just by their accomplishments, but also
by their compassion and sense of justice."
              ~Bruce Springsteen
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-= Hawk =- - 22 Feb 2007 22:45 GMT
>>>Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
>>>in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
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>
>You do know those aren't really from e-bay, don't you?

*sigh*

Oh, and delimit your sig properly...
BruceR - 22 Feb 2007 21:51 GMT
>> Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've
>> put in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees,
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> eBay scams from fake logins to claims that I've backed out of a
> contracted bid and must respond. Ebay is hell.

How can you blame eBay for the phishing email you get? I get the same
things not just claiming to be ebay but from major banks and credit
unions as I'm sure you do too. So have you closed your bank account and
stuffed your cash under a mattress? Of course not. You recognize it for
what it is and don't blame the bank - why blame ebay?
As for scams on ebay, yes, I'm sure there are plenty but, as I said,
you can usually spot them and if you DO get scammed, ebay and Paypal
(owned by ebay) do a pretty good job of shutting down the scammer and
making the innocent buyer whole. If you report a suspicious auction they
look into it fast and shut it down if there's any doubt.
eBay has evolved into a sophisticated marketplace where most of the
items listed are being offered by businesses rather than individuals.
That varies with the type of product. Cell phones are mostly offered by
businesses with lots of feedback and their own online operations while
things like collectible dolls and memorabilia are offered by
stay-at-home moms and other individuals.
-= Hawk =- - 22 Feb 2007 22:56 GMT
>>> Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've
>>> put in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees,
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
>stuffed your cash under a mattress? Of course not. You recognize it for
>what it is and don't blame the bank - why blame ebay?

Because they're quite often working through eBay's system to gather
information.

> As for scams on ebay, yes, I'm sure there are plenty but, as I said,
>you can usually spot them and if you DO get scammed, ebay and Paypal
>(owned by ebay) do a pretty good job of shutting down the scammer and
>making the innocent buyer whole. If you report a suspicious auction they
>look into it fast and shut it down if there's any doubt.

Again, go read their message boards. They're no where near as effective
as you believe.

> eBay has evolved into a sophisticated marketplace where most of the
>items listed are being offered by businesses rather than individuals.
>That varies with the type of product. Cell phones are mostly offered by
>businesses with lots of feedback and their own online operations while
>things like collectible dolls and memorabilia are offered by
>stay-at-home moms and other individuals.

eBay has evolved into a cesspool. I've been a member for almost 10 years
and I've watched the quality of the site and auctions drop to sh.t.
BruceR - 23 Feb 2007 00:28 GMT
>>>> Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls
>>>> they've put in, such as their feedback system, and their
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> Because they're quite often working through eBay's system to gather
> information.

Based on the fact all of my emails get the same amount of phishing
attempts and that only one is associated with ebay, I have to say that
that does NOT seem to be the case. Do you have proof of your contention?

>> As for scams on ebay, yes, I'm sure there are plenty but, as I said,
>> you can usually spot them and if you DO get scammed, ebay and Paypal
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Again, go read their message boards. They're no where near as
> effective as you believe.

I believe that they are quite effective and that in most cases problems
are caused by people's inattention to details. Most people don't follow
the rules and then get pissed off when they don't get what they want.
I'm not claiming that ebay is a perfect sysytem by any means, but you
can certainly protect yourself, as in mostthings, by being carefull.

>> eBay has evolved into a sophisticated marketplace where most of the
>> items listed are being offered by businesses rather than individuals.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> years and I've watched the quality of the site and auctions drop to
> sh.t.

Again, my own experience is the opposite of yours. I've been buying more
and bigger ticket items each year without hassle or problems.
Special Ed - 03 Mar 2007 13:55 GMT
>>Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
>>in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> from fake logins to claims that I've backed out of a contracted bid and
> must respond. Ebay is hell.

That's actually a pretty good record-- do the math. Millions of daily sales
but only dozens of scams.
-= Hawk =- - 03 Mar 2007 15:52 GMT
>>>Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
>>>in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
>That's actually a pretty good record-- do the math. Millions of daily sales
>but only dozens of scams.

You're mistaken. That's dozens of people bright enough to know they've
met with a scam and willing to embarass themselves by publicly stating
the fact. That's NOT counting the people who fall for fake log in pages
placed over auctions placed by hijacked accounts, people who fall for
fake 2nd chance offers, people who fall for fake buy it now offers and
those who aren't bright enough to find the web boards to learn about how
they've just lost control of their accounts. If there's dozens a day
reporting it then chances are there's thousands a day falling for it. Do
the math, that's not a good record.
BruceR - 03 Mar 2007 19:09 GMT
>>>> Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls
>>>> they've put in, such as their feedback system, and their
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> there's dozens a day reporting it then chances are there's thousands
> a day falling for it. Do the math, that's not a good record.

The scams, as you know, aren't being generated by ebay. ebay's operation
is very clean. The scammers are out there and you need to recognize
them.  I get just as many phishing attempts from banks that I do or
don't do business with.  Should I close my bank accounts because of
that?  Of course not. Whenever you get a phishing attempt that's labeled
ebay, your bank, or whatever, just look at the URL thatthe link points
to and you'll KNOW it's a scam.  If you want to be sure, DON'T click on
the link in the email message.  Instead, go to your online account as
you normally would and check messages there.
Kevin McClave - 22 Feb 2007 21:03 GMT
>Ebay is a "Buyer Beware" operation but with all the controls they've put
>in, such as their feedback system, and their guarantees, particularly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>a little homework, IOW, look at who you're buying from, and you should
>never get burnt on ebay.

Very well said.

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Kevin McClave

"I believe a place and a people are judged
not just by their accomplishments, but also
by their compassion and sense of justice."
              ~Bruce Springsteen
*********************************************************************
Todd Allcock - 22 Feb 2007 20:03 GMT
> Having recently become more aware of the sheer number of scams and
> scammers who inhabit eBay I'd personally never purchase anything through
> their site. But that's just me.

I see your point- the increased reports of food contamination recently
has led me to stop eating...  ;-)  

eBay is a risk/rewards thing.  I've used it for years as a buyer and
seller and have only been burned once- on a $7 item.

I doubt I'd buy a $1000 item on eBay, but, frankly, to miss out on a good
deal seemingly unavailable elsewhere (like the low cost TM2G activated
SIMs) because you might lose $5-10 seems rather inflexible to me.

To each his own...
Kevin McClave - 22 Feb 2007 21:10 GMT
>> Having recently become more aware of the sheer number of scams and
>> scammers who inhabit eBay I'd personally never purchase anything through
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>deal seemingly unavailable elsewhere (like the low cost TM2G activated
>SIMs) because you might lose $5-10 seems rather inflexible to me.

Can you get ripped off on e-Bay? Of course, but the waiter could steal
your credit card number the next time you pay at your favorite
restaurant, too.

It is really a self-policing place. If you engage in a potentially high
priced transaction with someone with no feedback rating or a bad
feedback rating, frankly that's your own fault. As has already been
pointed out, there are safeguards in place, so much so that I'd say only
paranoia would keep someone away from the site entirely.

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Kevin McClave

"I believe a place and a people are judged
not just by their accomplishments, but also
by their compassion and sense of justice."
              ~Bruce Springsteen
*********************************************************************
-= Hawk =- - 22 Feb 2007 22:56 GMT
>As has already been
>pointed out, there are safeguards in place, so much so that I'd say only
>paranoia would keep someone away from the site entirely.

Or research.
John Richards - 22 Feb 2007 18:33 GMT
> I'm getting ready to get my first cell phone and I've pretty much
> decided to use T-Mobile prepaid, at least initially.  I've called the
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> purchasing the "New Tmobile Prepaid Sim Card 150min incl ToGo Activated"
> on eBay and installing the SIM card?  

From research I've done on this, yes, it really is that simple.
The telephone number comes with the SIM card. There should
be some instructions with the SIM card that explain how to
activate it.
One wrinkle to this process: what if I don't want a random
phone number but want to port an existing phone number
to the new ToGo account?

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BruceR - 22 Feb 2007 19:55 GMT
It does work that way but since this is your first phone and you may
need a little more support at first, your best bet is to probably buy
locally. Check out the deal at the store and other local retailers to
see what's best.  My elderly parents went with TMo Prepaid and followed
my advice to buy from the TMo store. It worked out well for them because
they needed a little help with operating the phone at first and they got
excellent help when they returned to the store.

> I'm getting ready to get my first cell phone and I've pretty much
> decided to use T-Mobile prepaid, at least initially.  I've called the
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>
> Thanks in advance.
LEM - 23 Feb 2007 04:29 GMT
Doug <douglashh@comcast.net> wrote in news:douglashh-D79DFB.09460522022007
@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> Is it really as simple as purchasing the GSM cell phone of my choice,
> purchasing the "New Tmobile Prepaid Sim Card 150min incl ToGo Activated"
> on eBay and installing the SIM card?  

Yes, it's that simple. While I'm a postpaid customer, I've done exactly that on a number of occasions
for relatives traveling from abroad, so that they could avoid monsterous roaming charges from their
providers. Most recently I've bought a two pre-paid SIMs for about $10 a piece (shipped) around last
August/September timeframe. The rules do change time to time. First time I've done this was a few
years back, and I was able to change the area code on the SIM twice within a month time. Last time I
was explicitly warned that they allow one change of area code per 6 months (which was fine, because
I only needed one change). How it works today? I don't know.

One thing I can tell is that buying a $10 SIM from e-bay is a risk of $10 that you take in a bid to save
$40 buying from store (plus eBay cards come charged with 150 minutes, one in store will probably
have something like 30 minutes on it).

Inserting a SIM into the phone is quite simple. It's similar to inserting a memory flash card to some
devices (a bit different geomety, but it's at about the same level of complexity). And that's that. The
cards I bought came activated with a phone numbers already, so I could start making calls as soon as
they were popped into the phones. Changing the area code - 5 minute call to customer service. The
cards I bought all came with instructions as to the number I should call and with necessary info such
as PIN numbers on the card if any  (two most recent had no pins at all).

Of course your milage may vary, as people mentioned up in this thread - eBay is a wild water with little
or no regulation as to exactly how the particular seller will "package" their goods. Check the feedbacks.
Buy from those who specialize on the SIM cards and have good comments on past similar sales.

Hope this helps,

LEM
(remove all digits from e-mail for real address)
Bill Radio - 27 Feb 2007 08:40 GMT
Doug,
Yes, it is that easy.  I've done it several times.  And if anything ever
went wrong, it was my fault and it was fixable.  I bought both activated and
un-activated SIM's, and the ones already activated are the least trouble.
The SIM fits in a slot under the battery and once it's in, you can make/take
calls.

If you are the least bit uneasy about buying one of these cards on eBay,
there is a cheap solution for a new SIM.  Buy a new T-Mobile 6030 from
Wal-Mart for $29 and activate that SIM, then sell, give away or keep that
phone as a spare.  There other sales that are even better.  I've seen a
Nokia 6010 go for $80 but included $100 in calling time, so the phone was
more than free.  All the activation instructions come in the box, you never
need to go to T-Mobile.

The $50 fee T-Mobile charges is a real ripoff when a new phone, with a SIM,
is available for so much less elsewhere.  I've purchased several activated
SIM's for $5-6 and if one of them didn't work, another $5 isn't a big deal,
but it's never happened.  The guys who usually sell these want these
accounts activated, they get a credit, so they want it to work for you.

Bill Radio
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> I'm getting ready to get my first cell phone and I've pretty much
> decided to use T-Mobile prepaid, at least initially.  I've called the
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>
> Thanks in advance.

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