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Why the heck doesn't T-Mo do PalmOS devices?

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evadnikufesin - 08 Jun 2007 05:05 GMT
Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
happen to *like* PalmOS phones.

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Cyrus Afzali - 08 Jun 2007 17:06 GMT
>Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
>happen to *like* PalmOS phones.

For starters, the Palm OS is in a very shaky position right now.
Secondly, the last one they *DID* offer, the Treo 600, was a piece of
junk. I had two die on me within a year, and TM got several other
complaints, which led to the phone being pulled and the 650 never
being offered on the subsidized lineup.

I too like Palm phones, mainly because their browser is better,
although the latest Blackberries have much better browsers than my
7290.

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Scott Ehrlich - 08 Jun 2007 18:19 GMT
>>Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
>>happen to *like* PalmOS phones.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>although the latest Blackberries have much better browsers than my
>7290.

There are numerous postings on howardforums, phonescoop, among other
sites, where people have said they had to replace their units multiple
times.  If a device has that many problems, if I were a dealer/carrier, I
wouldn't want to carry it, either!

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evadnikufesin - 09 Jun 2007 03:16 GMT
> For starters, the Palm OS is in a very shaky position right now.
> Secondly, the last one they DID offer, the Treo 600, was a piece of
> junk. I had two die on me within a year, and TM got several other
> complaints, which led to the phone being pulled and the 650 never
> being offered on the subsidized lineup.

Yea I've heard this stuff before.. was wondering if anyone else had.
Thanks for confirming.

> I too like Palm phones, mainly because their browser is better,
> although the latest Blackberries have much better browsers than my
> 7290.

Well, perhaps the BBerry 8800 will be what I look at, then.

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Frater Mus - 13 Jun 2007 17:23 GMT
> Secondly, the last one they *DID* offer, the Treo 600, was a piece of
> junk. I had two die on me within a year, and TM got several other

My unlocked Treo600 works fine on TMO, despite massive abuse on my
part.

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DevilsPGD - 08 Jun 2007 17:32 GMT
>Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
>happen to *like* PalmOS phones.

Buy one, put your SIM in, get on with life.

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Cyrus Afzali - 08 Jun 2007 20:06 GMT
>>Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
>>happen to *like* PalmOS phones.
>
>Buy one, put your SIM in, get on with life.

Not quarrelling with your advice to Evan, because he's obviously just
jonesing for one and in that case, that's what he should do.

That said, for a GSM user, which I assume he is given that he's
writing in this forum, the 750 or the 680 are the newest things out
there for us. Both are only available subsidized from Cingular, but
are only about $400 direct from Palm. I believe the 750 is Windows
Mobile, not sure about the 680.

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Joey DoWop Dee - 08 Jun 2007 20:20 GMT
> That said, for a GSM user, which I assume he is given that he's
> writing in this forum, the 750 or the 680 are the newest things out
> there for us. Both are only available subsidized from Cingular, but
> are only about $400 direct from Palm. I believe the 750 is Windows
> Mobile, not sure about the 680.

It's Palm OS 5.x (garnet, I think)

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DevilsPGD - 08 Jun 2007 21:08 GMT
>That said, for a GSM user, which I assume he is given that he's
>writing in this forum, the 750 or the 680 are the newest things out
>there for us. Both are only available subsidized from Cingular, but
>are only about $400 direct from Palm. I believe the 750 is Windows
>Mobile, not sure about the 680.

680 is PalmOS Garnet v.5.4.9, and as a result, it sits in my pocket.
When I'm in the US, it carries a T-Mobile SIM, when I'm elsewhere it
carries an appropriate local SIM.

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Jack Hamilton - 09 Jun 2007 03:04 GMT
>>That said, for a GSM user, which I assume he is given that he's
>>writing in this forum, the 750 or the 680 are the newest things out
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>When I'm in the US, it carries a T-Mobile SIM, when I'm elsewhere it
>carries an appropriate local SIM.

Can you run all Palm applications on the Treos, or are they restricted
in some way?
DevilsPGD - 09 Jun 2007 06:06 GMT
>>>That said, for a GSM user, which I assume he is given that he's
>>>writing in this forum, the 750 or the 680 are the newest things out
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>Can you run all Palm applications on the Treos, or are they restricted
>in some way?

It's a full Palm, no restrictions at all, other then the lack of a
Graffiti pad (which isn't really an issue, although I did run into a
couple apps I liked that needed a special graffiti stroke to initiate
them.  They have since added alternate ways of launching)

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evadnikufesin - 09 Jun 2007 03:14 GMT
> > Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
> > happen to like PalmOS phones.
>
> Buy one, put your SIM in, get on with life.

No faves support.. no t-mo-specific features when buying one and
putting a SIM in.  No.. well.. lots of "nos"...

Thanks.. thought about it.. would rather ask here if anyone had any
other insights on it.. obviously you don't.. thanks for playing.

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Steve Sobol - 09 Jun 2007 06:50 GMT
> No faves support.. no t-mo-specific features when buying one and
> putting a SIM in.  No.. well.. lots of "nos"...

Faves isn't useful for some people. I imagine maybe quite a few. My wife and
I are on that list. :) I'll keep my M2M, thanks. What other T-Mo-specific
features are missing?
evadnikufesin - 09 Jun 2007 08:58 GMT
> > No faves support.. no t-mo-specific features when buying one and
> > putting a SIM in.  No.. well.. lots of "nos"...
>
> Faves isn't useful for some people. I imagine maybe quite a few. My
> wife and I are on that list. :) I'll keep my M2M, thanks. What other
> T-Mo-specific features are missing?

Actually.. T-Mo has sold a *lot* of phones because of Faves..
personally I like it and I use it.

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Steve Sobol - 09 Jun 2007 19:10 GMT

>> Faves isn't useful for some people. I imagine maybe quite a few. My
>> wife and I are on that list. :) I'll keep my M2M, thanks. What other
>> T-Mo-specific features are missing?
>
> Actually.. T-Mo has sold a *lot* of phones because of Faves..
> personally I like it and I use it.

Well, I'd have to extend my contract. And buy a new phone.

My wife wants the Nokia MP3 slider phone and I'm getting it for her as an
anniversary present, so I'll have to buy a new phone and extend my contract
anyhow.

But then we lose our M2M. That would be extremely expensive for us.
evadnikufesin - 10 Jun 2007 04:56 GMT
> But then we lose our M2M. That would be extremely expensive for us.

That's odd... I thought that T-Mobile re-allowed M2M with Faves (as a
pay-for option, that is).

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Steve Sobol - 10 Jun 2007 08:50 GMT
>> But then we lose our M2M. That would be extremely expensive for us.
>
> That's odd... I thought that T-Mobile re-allowed M2M with Faves (as a
> pay-for option, that is).

They might. I hadn't heard about that.
Todd Allcock - 10 Jun 2007 08:15 GMT
> Actually.. T-Mo has sold a *lot* of phones because of Faves..
> personally I like it and I use it.

I use it too, but only because they had the $59 MyFaves Family plan promo
awhile back.  90% of my "Fave" calling is to other T-Mo customers, so M2M
would work just as well for me.
evadnikufesin - 09 Jun 2007 03:22 GMT
> > Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
> > happen to like PalmOS phones.
>
> Buy one, put your SIM in, get on with life.

Actually I just read your other posts.. you do know something about
it.. I take that back...  Sorry.

Tell me... how does the phone work with T-Mo as far as the browser,
WAP, etc?  I'm assuming that MyFaves isn't a topic for discussion...
And it looks like the 680 is probably my only choice.

Anything I should know as compared to the subsidized phones?  I might
just go ahead and order one.

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DevilsPGD - 10 Jun 2007 04:50 GMT
>> > Anyone know?  They did the one, and haven't done one since.  And I
>> > happen to like PalmOS phones.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Actually I just read your other posts.. you do know something about
>it.. I take that back...  Sorry.

No worries, I was being snippy (at best)

>Tell me... how does the phone work with T-Mo as far as the browser,
>WAP, etc?  I'm assuming that MyFaves isn't a topic for discussion...
>And it looks like the 680 is probably my only choice.

I use a unlocked 680 when roaming in the US, the browser and other
features appear to work, although I've never tried to access T-Zones.

I am on prepaid, so I don't have access to MyFaves -- I can't fathom why
this requires a "feature" on the phone, but if that's how T-Mobile set
it up, you probably can't do much about it.

Until about a month ago, prepaid had full internet access, so I can
confirm that internet did work.  

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Todd Allcock - 10 Jun 2007 08:53 GMT
> I am on prepaid, so I don't have access to MyFaves -- I can't fathom why
> this requires a "feature" on the phone, but if that's how T-Mobile set
> it up, you probably can't do much about it.

I have a MyFaves plan without a MyFaves phone (T-Mobile MDA.)

T-Mo's requirement of a MyFaves phone to use the plan is just a business
decision (not a technological requirement in any way) and although silly,
it's their game and their rules.  I snuck around it by buying a
MyFaves phone and MyFaves family plan for my wife and adding my existing
line to that account, using my existing non-MyFaves phone.

You can manage the MyFaves contacts from a PC or the phone's WAP browser
so it's not a problem using the plan without a MF phone.
DevilsPGD - 11 Jun 2007 07:17 GMT
>> I am on prepaid, so I don't have access to MyFaves -- I can't fathom why
>> this requires a "feature" on the phone, but if that's how T-Mobile set
>> it up, you probably can't do much about it.
>
>I have a MyFaves plan without a MyFaves phone (T-Mobile MDA.)

Excellent.

>T-Mo's requirement of a MyFaves phone to use the plan is just a business
>decision (not a technological requirement in any way) and although silly,
>it's their game and their rules.  I snuck around it by buying a
>MyFaves phone and MyFaves family plan for my wife and adding my existing
>line to that account, using my existing non-MyFaves phone.

Ahh, so you still need the phone to activate in the first place?  Ahh
well, not a big deal.

>You can manage the MyFaves contacts from a PC or the phone's WAP browser
>so it's not a problem using the plan without a MF phone.

Ahh cool, thanks -- I've been trying to get confirmation of that, the
rep I spoke to said that I would get billed for the calls if I placed
the SIM into a phone that doesn't support MyFaves...

(but then I know better then to trust T-Mobile reps on technically
unsupported questions)

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Todd Allcock - 11 Jun 2007 11:21 GMT
> Ahh, so you still need the phone to activate in the first place?  Ahh
> well, not a big deal.

Not really- just tell them you have a MyFaves phone.

> >You can manage the MyFaves contacts from a PC or the phone's WAP browser
> >so it's not a problem using the plan without a MF phone.
>
> Ahh cool, thanks -- I've been trying to get confirmation of that, the
> rep I spoke to said that I would get billed for the calls if I placed
> the SIM into a phone that doesn't support MyFaves...

I've never been billed for a MyFaves call on my MDA in the three months
I've had the plan.
TrickyRick - 08 Jul 2007 04:27 GMT
> > In message <f4d2ta$lhr$1@registered.motzarella.org
"evadnikufesin
> > <evadnikufesin@gmail.invalidcom.domain> wrote
> >
> > DevilsPGD wrote
> >
> > I use a unlocked 680 when roaming in the US, the browser an
othe
> > features appear to work, although I've never tried to acces
T-Zones

> > I am on prepaid, so I don't have access to MyFaves -- I can'
fathom wh
> > this requires a "feature" on the phone, but if that'
how T-Mobile se
> > it up, you probably can't do much about it
> >
> > Until about a month ago, prepaid had full internet access, so
ca
> > confirm that internet did work.

Really?  I have been on T-mobile prepaid for over a year but have onl
had T-zones.  I don't have a smart phone but my phone has a wa
browser
 
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