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togo grace period for adding refill?

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peter - 30 Mar 2008 15:43 GMT
When you minutes reached the expiration date, do you have any grace period
to add refill to keep the rollover?
Spamm Trappe - 30 Mar 2008 16:12 GMT
> When you minutes reached the expiration date, do you have any grace period
> to add refill to keep the rollover?

What part of "expiration" seems unclear?  :-)
peter - 30 Mar 2008 21:55 GMT
>> When you minutes reached the expiration date, do you have any grace
>> period
>> to add refill to keep the rollover?
>
> What part of "expiration" seems unclear?  :-)

The part that didn't specify the hour, minute, second and the time zone.
Todd Allcock - 30 Mar 2008 22:58 GMT
> > What part of "expiration" seems unclear?  :-)
>
> The part that didn't specify the hour, minute, second and the time zone.

"At Midnight" wasn't clear enough?
Patrick C - 30 Mar 2008 17:15 GMT
I think it's 90 days before you loose your #. But double check with customer
support.

> When you minutes reached the expiration date, do you have any grace period
> to add refill to keep the rollover?
Todd Allcock - 30 Mar 2008 22:56 GMT
> When you minutes reached the expiration date, do you have any grace period
> to add refill to keep the rollover?

Officially, no.  You have some time period to refill to keep your number,
but your accumulated minutes will be lost.

Having said that, some folks reportedly have sweet-talked customer service
into restoring the expired minutes if they acted soon enough (i.e. called
the same day they expired.)
Joe Seattle - 01 Apr 2008 19:05 GMT
> When you minutes reached the expiration date, do you have any grace period
> to add refill to keep the rollover?

When it says that your account will expire on (date/month/year @ 12:59
PM) that's pretty clear.  Beyond that point you've lost any minute
credit that you may have had in your account.  If you want to keep any
credit that you may already have in your account the advice that
should really be taken is to refill by the date and time that's
indicated.   There are several ways to determine when your account
expires including calling *8646, calling 877-778-2106 or by using your
T-Zones "GPRS" to check your account.  Anyone who doesn't bother to do
what's necessary to keep their minutes will get the penalty (losing
minutes) if they don't get off their keesters and do what's needed to
keep their minutes!
peter - 04 Apr 2008 15:33 GMT
>When it says that your account will expire on (date/month/year @ 12:59
>PM) that's pretty clear.  Beyond that point you've lost any minute

Where did you find "12:59 pm"?
When I log in my t-mobile on the web, I see minutes left, amount, and
expiration day/month/year. No hour/minutes was specified for the expiration
day.

Since I also heard the actual expiration is day/month/year @ 0:00 am, I did
not want to risk losing the minute, so I always renew on day-1/month/year.
That is why I ask about grace period, in case I do the experiment and
lose...
Todd Allcock - 04 Apr 2008 18:47 GMT
> Where did you find "12:59 pm"?
> When I log in my t-mobile on the web, I see minutes left, amount, and
> expiration day/month/year. No hour/minutes was specified for the
> expiration day.

If you call CS ("*TOGO" on your phone) and wade through the menus the
balance recording says "your balance will expire on mm/dd/yyyy at midnight."

> Since I also heard the actual expiration is day/month/year @ 0:00 am, I
> did not want to risk losing the minute, so I always renew on day-
> 1/month/year.
> That is why I ask about grace period, in case I do the experiment and
> lose...

Since my T2G accounts are all "gold" (1-year expiries) I always do day-
before-expiration-day refills just in case something goes awry.  (Like a
bad PIN, etc.- it gives me a day to straighten it out.  I'll give T-Mo the
extra day- 364 days is still pretty generous!)

But you have until midnight on expiration day.  Which time zone "midnight"
is calculated by, I couldn't tell you (phone area code's?  T-Mo HQ in
Washington state?) but we're really splitting hairs at that point...
BruceR - 04 Apr 2008 23:11 GMT
>> Where did you find "12:59 pm"?
>> When I log in my t-mobile on the web, I see minutes left, amount, and
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> T-Mo HQ in Washington state?) but we're really splitting hairs at
> that point...

Also, be careful about the meaning of "Midnight." 12:00 am is actually
the beginning of the day - not the end. So, for example, midnight April
1 means that the expiration is really at the end of March 31st (one
second after 11:59:59 pm. Indeed, they may not implement it that way but
that is what is accurate. That's why you'll see legal documents like
insurance policies say that they commence at 12:01 am or you will see
expirations of contests at 11:59 pm. Legally speaking, midnight is a
confusing moment for many people.
 
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