I looked all over the T mobile site looking for an answer. I
didn't find it. When I dial a phone number and it rings, am I
paying for the minute(s) being used or does the time only begin
once someone answers? The answer is not very important, but it
did spur a lively conversation.

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BruceR - 05 Jul 2008 20:10 GMT
Airtime is used from the moment you press SEND to the moment you press
END or the phone disconnects. It makes no difference if the called
number answers.
>I looked all over the T mobile site looking for an answer. I didn't
>find it. When I dial a phone number and it rings, am I paying for the
>minute(s) being used or does the time only begin once someone answers?
>The answer is not very important, but it did spur a lively
>conversation.
Joe Seattle - 06 Jul 2008 22:38 GMT
> Airtime is used from the moment you press SEND to the moment you press
> END or the phone disconnects. It makes no difference if the called
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> >The answer is not very important, but it did spur a lively
> >conversation.
Absolutely not true. You should only be billed for calls that
actually answer. If the call does answer you will be billed from the
moment you press send til the equipment used to make the call is taken
down. If there's no answer you should not be billed for the call.
danny burstein - 06 Jul 2008 23:07 GMT
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>Absolutely not true. You should only be billed for calls that
>actually answer. If the call does answer you will be billed from the
>moment you press send til the equipment used to make the call is taken
>down. If there's no answer you should not be billed for the call.
In the Good Old Daze back when it was Omnipoint, they
billed from the moment the call was answered. Alas,
a bunch of years ago, they opted to switch to a
"from 'send' to 'end'", rounding _up_ to the next minute.
If there's no answer at all, then you don't get charged.
So, if there's 35 seconds between the time you hit 'send'
and the time it's answered, and you then talk for three minutes,
the total time is 3:35, rounding up to 4 minutes.
If, though, you talk for three and a half minutes, then
the total time is 4:05, rounded up to five.

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BruceR - 07 Jul 2008 02:02 GMT
On Jul 5, 12:10 pm, "BruceR" <bruc...@SPAMwhoever.com> wrote:
> Airtime is used from the moment you press SEND to the moment you press
> END or the phone disconnects. It makes no difference if the called
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> >The answer is not very important, but it did spur a lively
> >conversation.
Absolutely not true. You should only be billed for calls that
actually answer. If the call does answer you will be billed from the
moment you press send til the equipment used to make the call is taken
down. If there's no answer you should not be billed for the call.
That's not what TMo customer service says. Can you provide a link or
cite some other place that iterates that?
Dennis Ferguson - 07 Jul 2008 20:26 GMT
>>> Airtime is used from the moment you press SEND to the moment you press
>>> END or the phone disconnects. It makes no difference if the called
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> That's not what TMo customer service says. Can you provide a link or
> cite some other place that iterates that?
T-Mobile's Terms & Conditions say it works the way T-Mobile's customer
service told you but in fact, on T-Mobile's network, it works the way
Joe says. It may sometimes work the way the T&Cs say when you are
roaming, though.
Dennis Ferguson
Ben Skversky - 07 Jul 2008 21:35 GMT
Not true. If you don't connect you do not pay.
> Airtime is used from the moment you press SEND to the moment you press END
> or the phone disconnects. It makes no difference if the called number
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>minute(s) being used or does the time only begin once someone answers? The
>>answer is not very important, but it did spur a lively conversation.
^'^BatAttaK^'^ - 09 Jul 2008 04:52 GMT
>Not true. If you don't connect you do not pay.
You most certainly do.
Gordon Burditt - 06 Jul 2008 00:59 GMT
>I looked all over the T mobile site looking for an answer. I
>didn't find it. When I dial a phone number and it rings, am I
>paying for the minute(s) being used or does the time only begin
>once someone answers? The answer is not very important, but it
>did spur a lively conversation.
The clock starts when you press the Spend key. There are some
free calls, like dialing #MIN# (on the postpaid service).
For incoming calls, I guess the timing starts when the call hits
T-Mobile's switch (roughly, when your phone starts ringing, if
it's in range). But you still get charged if your phone is off.
To test this, don't use your phone for about an hour, then dial
#MIN#, and note how many minutes you have used. Then make a phone
call (or receive one). Wait about an hour and dial #MIN# again.
Be sure that the "as of" date is after you made the call. Subtract
the two and see how much you got charged for this call. This works
better if you have only one phone on an account, or you can get
everyone to cooperate by not using their phones during the test.
Do teenagers stop talking on the phone around 4AM on a Monday?
My Motorola RAZR keeps track of the time used, incorrectly. The
phone tries to measure "talk time": the time between making or
answering the call and hanging up. That's not how you are billed.
The time shown on the phone may be too LOW because:
- The phone starts timing when the call answers, but the billing starts
when you press the Spend key. That's at least 1 minute too low for
every call that doesn't answer or that you don't answer.
- The phone keeps the talk time in seconds, but billing rounds up to minutes.
1 minute, 1 second gets billed as 2 minutes.
That's an average of 30 seconds too low per call you answer or that answers.
- Calls made to you when the phone is off or out of range still cost minutes.
The time shown on the phone may be too HIGH because:
- The phone counts minutes during times when you've got unlimited talk time
that doesn't use minutes (for my plan, weekends). This might also apply
to Mobile-to-Mobile, or calling Voice Mail, or calling Customer Service
depending on your plan.
- You didn't reset the counters at the exact time when the minutes get
refilled.
Bert Hyman - 07 Jul 2008 21:41 GMT
> I looked all over the T mobile site looking for an answer. I
> didn't find it. When I dial a phone number and it rings, am I
> paying for the minute(s) being used or does the time only begin
> once someone answers? The answer is not very important, but it
> did spur a lively conversation.
According to T-Mobile's "Terms and Conditions":
We round up any fraction of a minute to the next full minute.
... Airtime usage is measured from the time the network begins
to process the call (before the phone rings or the call is
answered) through its termination of the call (after you hang
up).
http://www.t-mobile.com/Templates/Popup.aspx?PAsset=Ftr_Ftr_TermsAndConditions
This doesn't address the case where the call isn't answered.

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