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REcovering batterys

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PhilÅ - 29 Nov 2004 15:48 GMT
I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
charge.

I did read somewhere about putting them in a oven for a few minutes??

Does anyone have any advice on how to recover batteries, only temp so it
will switch on for more than 5 seconds would be nice??
Geoff Winkless - 29 Nov 2004 15:56 GMT
> I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
> charge.
>
> I did read somewhere about putting them in a oven for a few minutes??

Mmm. Don't do this with Li-Ion batteries. Let me reiterate that: do _NOT_ do
this with Li-ion batteries.

> Does anyone have any advice on how to recover batteries, only temp so
> it will switch on for more than 5 seconds would be nice??

If you took the battery apart and spot-charged each cell individually for a
short period it probably still wouldn't work and you might set fire to your
house.

Worth the extra 15 quid (or whatever) trade-in? No.

Plus you'd have no chance of trading in the resultant mess anyway even in
the remote possibility that it did actually produce something that worked.

You might manage to get a replacement battery but that'll probably cost more
than the trade-in value.

G
Ian Stirling - 29 Nov 2004 17:10 GMT
> Phil? wrote:
>> I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
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> Mmm. Don't do this with Li-Ion batteries. Let me reiterate that: do _NOT_ do
> this with Li-ion batteries.

Or they may burst into toxic flames.
Steve Terry - 29 Nov 2004 23:38 GMT
> > Phil? wrote:
> >> I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Or they may burst into toxic flames.

More likely explode

Steve Terry
Ian Stirling - 30 Nov 2004 10:28 GMT
>> > Phil? wrote:
>> >> I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
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>>
> More likely explode

Then comes the flames.
Rod L - 29 Nov 2004 16:28 GMT
>I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
>charge.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Does anyone have any advice on how to recover batteries, only temp so it
> will switch on for more than 5 seconds would be nice??

I did read somewhere that if you place the battery in a freezer bag and
stick in the freezer compartment for 24 hours this can pro long battery life
or kick start it. As a general rule you should store battery's de-charged
and in a cool place when not used for any length of time. Maybe someone will
confirm the first bit.
David Glover - 29 Nov 2004 16:34 GMT
> As a general rule you should store
> battery's de-charged and in a cool place when not used for any length
> of time.

Storing a lithium battery decharged for a long period of time will kill it.

They should be stored at 50% charge.

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Hiram Hackenbacker - 29 Nov 2004 17:38 GMT
> I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
> charge.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Does anyone have any advice on how to recover batteries, only temp so it
> will switch on for more than 5 seconds would be nice??

I would suggest writing to the team at Brainiac here:-
http://www.skyone.co.uk/programmes/brainiac/

Could make an interesting programme - especially if they try to promote
the battery life with the help of explosives.
Mike GW8IJT - 29 Nov 2004 23:19 GMT
> > I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
> > charge.
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> Could make an interesting programme - especially if they try to promote
> the battery life with the help of explosives.

Brainiac may well come up with a scheme to make a mobile phone blow up a
caravan.
They're very good at blowing up caravans :-o)
I know, try microwaving your mobile phone battery. Stand well back.
Regards   Mike.

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Steve - 30 Nov 2004 07:27 GMT
>I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
>charge.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Does anyone have any advice on how to recover batteries, only temp so it
>will switch on for more than 5 seconds would be nice??

If it is a NiCd battery (e.g. in a very old phone) then you might try
to "unfuse" the metallic whisker growth that sometimes forms inside
old NiCd cells and causes internal shorts.

Google can probably find suitable references but the basic idea is to
apply a larger charge current then usual (an amp or two I think), for
just a second or so, directly to the battery (i.e. off the phone) from
something like a car battery charger.   Then attempt to charge the
battery normally in the phone.

This isn't guaranteed to work but if the battery is shagged you have
nothing to lose.

Dunno if NiMH cells suffer the same internal shorting effect. Anyone?


R. Mark Clayton - 30 Nov 2004 09:05 GMT
>>I am trying to trade in a old phone but the battery will not hold any
>>charge.
>>
>>I did read somewhere about putting them in a oven for a few minutes??

That was old zinc carbon primary batteries.  Do this with Li and you could
be sorry!

>>Does anyone have any advice on how to recover batteries, only temp so it
>>will switch on for more than 5 seconds would be nice??
>
> If it is a NiCd battery (e.g. in a very old phone) then you might try
> to "unfuse" the metallic whisker growth that sometimes forms inside
> old NiCd cells and causes internal shorts.

NiCd like giving large currents, and dislike being held on [trickle] charge
for a long time.  My old charger had a discharge button, which discharged
NiCd over about an hour.

The whisker story first appeared in New Scientist.  Basically you use the
NiCd battery to drive a large load, like a power drill (that they are so
often installed in) and the resulting current reduces the whicker effect.

> Google can probably find suitable references but the basic idea is to
> apply a larger charge current then usual (an amp or two I think), for
> just a second or so, directly to the battery (i.e. off the phone) from
> something like a car battery charger.

Not sure about this though.

> Then attempt to charge the
> battery normally in the phone.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Dunno if NiMH cells suffer the same internal shorting effect. Anyone?

No they don't.
hairydog@despammed.com - 30 Nov 2004 22:54 GMT
>Dunno if NiMH cells suffer the same internal shorting effect. Anyone?

I don't think they do. But their electrolyte crystallises into bigger
crystals, which have a smaller surface area for their volume, so they
can manage standby for ages, but can't deliver the higher current for
powering a call for more than a short time.

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