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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / December 2004Nuisance calls?
Hi All, Just a quick question .. My daughter has been getting nuisance calls on her mobile and land line. Nothing is said and the number witheld, just the last one to her land line as 2am ;-( Are there any steps (short of getting number<s> changed) to stop this? She *think* it could be a couple of girls that have been mildly bullying (MSN requests, emails, notes at school, telling lies to others, name calling etc) her (she's not frightened by them and is talking about decking them but we are warning her against doing so) ;-( All the best .. T i m > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > talking about decking them but we are warning her against doing so) > ;-( Call the relevant networks. Then the police. Get them sorted out properly.  SignatureDiss, Norfolk www.thisisdiss.com >> Hi All, >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Call the relevant networks. Then the police. Get them sorted out >properly. Hi Stephen, thanks for that .. I wondered exactly how much interest the networks (NTL and T-Mobile) would have in such matters? And the Police .. I thought you had to actually be stabbed before they become involved (I have nothing against the Police) .. All the best .. T i m <SNIP> >>> My daughter has been getting nuisance calls on her mobile and land >>> line. Nothing is said and the number witheld, just the last one to her >>> land line as 2am ;-( <SNIP> It's worth contacting your phone (landline) company as well. BT were great when I was getting disturbing calls in the early hours after I took over the previous owners number, who decided not to tell people their new number. In the end I actually got a new one, but their nuisance department can be very useful. >>> Hi All, >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > And the Police .. I thought you had to actually be stabbed before they > become involved (I have nothing against the Police) .. They are breaking the law, just tell the police you don't care how high up they have to get it authorised, or how much effort it takes - thats not your problem. Just keep pestering them and remind them that you pay for policing. Particualry if its happening on a regular basis and via other technologies etc - if its proved to be these girls then hopefully having a police caution will do the trick - certainly normal parents would ensure that it did anyway. Good luck. > All the best .. > > T i m --- If you have any queries regarding this email please contact Horshamnet on 08708811293. Opinions are those of the sender only, you must not forward, copy, or quote this email without permission. >And the Police .. I thought you had to actually be stabbed before they >become involved (I have nothing against the Police) .. You are right about that bit! A mate of mine, stupidly loan some money from a shark, thinking he could pay back within a week. The deal he wanted the cash for fell through and eventually the interest became silly. The amount in question was £30K and to date, he has paid them £500K - and still they are not happy. Despite threats on his life and his families, the police refuse to take any action. The guy is now in hiding in Ireland. He used to own about 8 properties, which he had to sell (apart from his home) to pay that debt. Now, some jackass has put a block from some law to allow the sale of his home. Its gonna cost a whacking £10K to fight that action (which they know they will win). Point being, dont expect the police to lift a finger......they havent in a clear case of extortion and death threats. Signaturewww.senaction.com > Are there any steps (short of getting number<s> changed) to stop this? The networks won't do anything until you have a Crime Reference Number from the Police. Even if it's only some girls having a "laugh" you won't get anywhere until you've reported it. The Police _won't_ get heavy-handed about it at this stage, reporting nuisance calls is a routine step - once you've reported it you can go back to the networks, quoting the Crime Reference Number, and they'll go away and check their records etc. SignatureThe From address is a spam-trap, so all replies to the newsgroup please. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Be Alert, Your Country Needs More Lerts! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > T i m I was getting nuisance calls about a month ago. I called Orange to ask what could be done and they changed my mobile number immediately (took about 5 minutes). They usually charge £10 for a number change, but as soon as I told them I wanted the number change because of nuisance calls they told me that they provide numbers for free in such cases. Mike. [snip] > I was getting nuisance calls about a month ago. I called Orange to > ask what could be done and they changed my mobile number > immediately (took about 5 minutes). They usually charge £10 for a > number change, but as soon as I told them I wanted the number > change because of nuisance calls they told me that they provide > numbers for free in such cases. Number changes are all very well, but most people don't want the hassle this involves. For a lightly used PAYG emergency phone that rarely receives calls it may be ok, but for a heavily used work phone it could cost serious money in lost business as well as advising a large client list of a new number. Ivor > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > line. Nothing is said and the number witheld, just the last one to her > land line as 2am ;-( Call BT and they will set the landline up to refuse any call from a "number withheld" phone. I did it during my divorce but it is well worthwhile anyway as you don't get any more sales calls! Slatts We had this a few years ago, You have to contact the police who will then allow the network to put a trace on incoming phone calls, then the rest you don't hear about until they have sorted the problem. > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > T i m >We had this a few years ago, You have to contact the police who will then >allow the network to put a trace on incoming phone calls, then the rest you >don't hear about until they have sorted the problem. Thanks for all the replies and advice so far. Questions then: Say we just wanted to be able to pinpoint the source of the calls and trying to deal with it ourselves (I mean calmly .. without dragging the Police into it). My thinking here is that the parents may be willing / able to deal with it, *once* we are able to determin the source. I'm thinking along the lines of "Just thought we had better let you know that many nuisance calls to our daughter have been traced to your home / daughters mobile number (not suggesting who had made the calls) and we would like it to stop before it has to go further"? If the first thing they get is a call / vist from the Police it may create 'problems' (like "Why didn't you speak to us first (even if we had no way of knowing who was calling her) before calling the Police" type thing .. ? I was just wary of starting something that could be seem by some (especially those doing it) as 'just a bit of fun' ? Sledgehammer to crack a nut type of thing? But if that's what we have to do to get this stopped then that's what we have to do .;-( Re the other thoughts .. The bar 'number witheld' calls seems like a good solution. If she is PAYG can this still be done and does it cost? If we change the number there's no guarantee they won't get hold of her new number (they even rang here pretending to be one of her friends to get her e-mail address!). All the best .. T i m > Say we just wanted to be able to pinpoint the source of the calls and > trying to deal with it ourselves (I mean calmly .. without dragging > the Police into it). No way. > My thinking here is that the parents may be willing / able to deal > with it, *once* we are able to determin the source. I'm thinking along [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > I was just wary of starting something that could be seem by some > (especially those doing it) as 'just a bit of fun' ? Doesn't sound much like fun, perhaps they need a visit from the police, who are unlikely to prosecute, to stop them doing something more serious as a bit of fun, either to your daughter or someone more vulnerable who doesn't have a father to defend them. > Sledgehammer to crack a nut type of thing? I think a heavy hand with these things might be better to avoid it getting worse. > But if that's what we have to do to get this stopped then that's what > we have to do .;-( [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > The bar 'number witheld' calls seems like a good solution. If she is > PAYG can this still be done and does it cost? I think that other powers are talking about the landline. If the hoaxers are serious they will just get a free PAYG sim or a £5 one and register it with false details and then call with the number showing... > If we change the number there's no guarantee they won't get hold of > her new number (they even rang here pretending to be one of her > friends to get her e-mail address!). How did this avail them? Or did they use that to hook up on MSN or something? SignatureDiss, Norfolk www.thisisdiss.com >> Say we just wanted to be able to pinpoint the source of the calls and >> trying to deal with it ourselves (I mean calmly .. without dragging >> the Police into it). > >No way. Ok . ;-( >> My thinking here is that the parents may be willing / able to deal >> with it, <snip> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Doesn't sound much like fun, To you and me no, but to some out there .. ? perhaps they need a visit from the police, >who are unlikely to prosecute, to stop them doing something more serious >as a bit of fun, either to your daughter or someone more vulnerable who >doesn't have a father to defend them. Well .. good point (I'm afraid to say) ;-( >> Sledgehammer to crack a nut type of thing? > >I think a heavy hand with these things might be better to avoid it >getting worse. 'Nip it in the bud' and all that? >> But if that's what we have to do to get this stopped then that's what >> we have to do .;-( [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >I think that other powers are talking about the landline. Ah, that's NTL and worth a call anyway .. If the >hoaxers are serious they will just get a free PAYG sim or a £5 one and >register it with false details and then call with the number showing... Never thought of that .. (the 'no witheld' thing is a good idea anyway) ? >> If we change the number there's no guarantee they won't get hold of >> her new number (they even rang here pretending to be one of her >> friends to get her e-mail address!). > >How did this avail them? Or did they use that to hook up on MSN or >something? Yeah, just a 'request to add contact' etc. She just blocked them. Thanks again .. T i m > >hoaxers are serious they will just get a free PAYG sim or a £5 one and > >register it with false details and then call with the number showing... > > Never thought of that .. (the 'no witheld' thing is a good idea > anyway) ? All the more reason to get the police to do what they are paid to do. SignatureDiss, Norfolk www.thisisdiss.com >I was just wary of starting something that could be seem by some >(especially those doing it) as 'just a bit of fun' ? People kill themselves as a result of classroom bullying. >Sledgehammer to crack a nut type of thing? No. Bullying needs at least a sledgehammer sometimes. However, the school ought to be taking action: stopping one channel won't resolve the problem. It's something that needs serious attention from the school. If getting the police in is enough to make the school wake up to their problem, so be it. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! >>I was just wary of starting something that could be seem by some >>(especially those doing it) as 'just a bit of fun' ? > >People kill themselves as a result of classroom bullying. So I understand ;-( >>Sledgehammer to crack a nut type of thing? > >No. Bullying needs at least a sledgehammer sometimes. However, the >school ought to be taking action: stopping one channel won't resolve >the problem. This is always a very difficult one (I think). Some kids seem to have a soul and others do not (genes, upbringing background who knows). My daughter is generally pretty tough (not in an aggressive sense) and will often 'get her own back' where the school 'system' seems to fail / turn a blind eye. She seems able to deal with most of the stuff that goes on *in* the school on her own (we offer to help but she would rather deal with it herself) but does get frustrated when it spills over into her private life (where I assume the school would decline responsibility anyway). Our daughter is a gentle, kind, caring and loving child that just want's to get on with her life (roller bladeing, playing electric bass, seeing Megadeth and Rammstein etc). ;-) She has got a wicked streak though but this is only seen when pushed too far. (We used to race 12th scale electric 4x4 touring cars and I've seen her 'accidently' run another car into a wall that has been persistantly hitting her!) Revenge is a dish best served cold! It's something that needs serious attention from the >school. If getting the police in is enough to make the school wake up >to their problem, so be it. I'm not sure where the School could (would / will) come into it .. this is just one part of the constant negative banter / activity (bullying?) that (apparently) constantly goes on between students, in and / or out of school. My daughter and some of her mates will 'protect' any (some <g>) other students seen getting some unjust treatment (especially when the odds are unfair). Goes along with (petty?) criminal damage (most of the local cars have had the badges nicked) litter, noise, attitude etc etc .. Ho hum ... ;-( All the best .. T i m > This is always a very difficult one (I think). Some kids seem to have > a soul and others do not (genes, upbringing background who knows). My [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > over into her private life (where I assume the school would decline > responsibility anyway) You would be surprised at what the school can and will do, especially with the police breathing down their neck. Its worth popping in for an informal chat with the form tutor too, the school will have a policy on bullying. > I'm not sure where the School could (would / will) come into it .. > this is just one part of the constant negative banter / activity > (bullying?) that (apparently) constantly goes on between students, in > and / or out of school. My daughter and some of her mates will > 'protect' any (some <g>) other students seen getting some unjust > treatment (especially when the odds are unfair). I'm interested to know how you're so sure its a fellow student and not an admirer or someone random? > Goes along with (petty?) criminal damage (most of the local cars have > had the badges nicked) litter, noise, attitude etc etc .. What about petitioning for a CCTV camera? SignatureDiss, Norfolk www.thisisdiss.com but does get frustrated when it spills >> over into her private life (where I assume the school would decline >> responsibility anyway) [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >informal chat with the form tutor too, the school will have a policy on >bullying. Ok, all things for the pot ;-) >I'm interested to know how you're so sure its a fellow student and not >an admirer or someone random? There was some falling out between a couple of groups and my daughter chose to distance herself from one particular girl "she can't expect to call me names one min then be my mate the next" sorta thing. In spite of this girls efforts to 'make friends' (inbetween the name calling and attempts to sour other girls against my daughter) she doesn't want to know. There have been e-mails, MSN contact requests (using weak alias's) and now the silent phone calls. My daughter get's 'confirmation' as to the source of some of these actions via the grapevine but nothing 'concrete' (even the email could have been 'spoofed'?). >> Goes along with (petty?) criminal damage (most of the local cars have >> had the badges nicked) litter, noise, attitude etc etc .. > >What about petitioning for a CCTV camera? Our local Dorothy Perkins put up some pretty tasty CCTV kit .. it was stolen 2 weeks later.... More for the pot though .. All the best .. T i m >I'm not sure where the School could (would / will) come into it .. >this is just one part of the constant negative banter / activity >(bullying?) that (apparently) constantly goes on between students, in >and / or out of school. That's where you are wrong. Some schools will take action to prevent this, and others shrug their shoulders and pretend there's nothing they can do. It is unacceptable behaviour, and is something that needs to be addressed. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > Hi All, > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > talking about decking them but we are warning her against doing so) > ;-( I'd contact the school and hopefully they could make the children aware of how illegal this is and what the consequences are. It is also possible if you tell network operators first - for them to trace calls even if they are withheld. You can't have access to this information, but the police can. |
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