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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / May 2005Replacing Orange with .... ?
I am about to finally bite the bullet and move away from Orange. ( Line 1 Virgin/EQ - Line 2 ED50) As I don't really need any off-peak calls anymore but rather need crossnet calls (possibly off-peak) I see there are some cross-net deals out there three looks attractive Is it still true that if there is no coverage it will run over O2 network? Are there any better offers than http://www.mobiles.co.uk/cgi/irefer.cgi?int=mainv975&page=motorola-v975.html and is there any info anywhere how these price offers work? cu mgk  SignatureLieber Kies in der Tasche als Sand im Getriebe DengejaaUveso@eze-domains.com declared for all the world to hear... > I am about to finally bite the bullet and move away from Orange. > ( Line 1 Virgin/EQ - Line 2 ED50) As I don't really need any off-peak [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Is it still true that if there is no coverage it will run over O2 > network? Yes, and drop your call in the process. 3 are currently running at something like 66% churn rate, which means that 2/3rd of customer who went with them last year are now leaving them. They may be cheap, but it's for a reason. Tread carefully. SignatureRegards Jon > DengejaaUveso@eze-domains.com declared for all the world to hear... > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > They may be cheap, but it's for a reason. Tread carefully. I aggree, cheap is useless if it don't work. You should see their IT infrastructure - nightmare! the only network i would drop orange for is o2, but i think orange are fine. Stuart >> DengejaaUveso@eze-domains.com declared for all the world to hear... >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I aggree, cheap is useless if it don't work. > You should see their IT infrastructure - nightmare! > the only network i would drop orange for is o2, but i think orange are fine. > Stuart <snip top post> For network quality, Vodafone is Oranges real rival The tricky bit is getting a good deal on Voda, difficult but not impossible Steve Terry >> the only network i would drop orange for is o2, but i think orange are fine. >> Stuart ><snip top post> >> >For network quality, Vodafone is Oranges real rival Agreed,..as O2 are way better than both for network quality. Lot's of new O2 posters around here also say so. Joneseylah joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... > Agreed,..as O2 are way better than both for network quality. > Lot's of new O2 posters around here also say so. This would be the same O2 which don't support normal SMS delivery reports, can't have MMS and full-internet GPRS at the same time for some reason and who drops to HR speech during peak load times? Like you said, way ahead of Orange and Vodafone. SignatureRegards Jon > joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... >> Agreed,..as O2 are way better than both for network quality. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > reports, can't have MMS and full-internet GPRS at the same time for some > reason and who drops to HR speech during peak load times? I agree with you on this Jon - O2's quality is indeed crap. However, I would have personally given them credit elsewhere: O2 are now the cheapest network for many things. One example that comes to mind straight away is international SMS with a text bundle. No other network (not even on PAYG) can offer that at 10p a pop. > > joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... <snip> > However, I would have personally given them credit elsewhere: O2 are now the > cheapest network for many things. Some of the free O2 online PAYT Sims certainly are, as they are giving free Text without any top up! O2 have a problem with their Text counting / billing server :-) Steve Terry > > > joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > O2 have a problem with their Text counting / billing server :-) Sounds like some old aspects of the BTCellnet days are still alive and well in O2's veins! > > > > joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... > > <snip> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sounds like some old aspects of the BTCellnet days are still alive and > well in O2's veins! O2s website is still about as unreliable as it was in the U Genie days But O2s PAYT billing computer has improved, it can now tell if a number has been ported Steve Terry >joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... >> Agreed,..as O2 are way better than both for network quality. >> Lot's of new O2 posters around here also say so. > >This would be the same O2 which don't support normal SMS delivery >reports, *0# works very well >can't have MMS and full-internet GPRS at the same time for some >reason PAYG maybe, I have MMS and full Internet GPRS on my monthly contract account using a Nokia 6310 which connects to my laptop via bluetooth or IR. For MMS the APN should be wap.o2.co.uk and for full Internet GPRS it's mobile.o2.co.uk > and who drops to HR speech during peak load times? As do all the other operators in fact Orange were the first to use HR in the UK. Radios and transmission is expensive to have idle for the occasional exceptional demands on the networks.What do you prefer, triple beep/No Connection or an HR connection next time there is a multiple pile up on the motorway and you want to call home? >Like you said, way ahead of Orange and Vodafone. Like I wrote, way ahead of Orange and Vodafone. Jonesylah > >joneseylah@privacy.net declared for all the world to hear... <snip> > As do all the other operators in fact Orange were the first to use HR > in the UK. Radios and transmission is expensive to have idle for the > occasional exceptional demands on the networks.What do you prefer, > triple beep/No Connection or an HR connection next time there is a > multiple pile up on the motorway and you want to call home? Orange use Half Rate?! The only time I know of Orange using HR was at Glastonbury festival about 5 years ago, since then they've added portable BTSs AFAIK only Voda and O2 use HR at peak times on a regular basis, the 1800MHz networks don't need to Steve Terry >Orange use Half Rate?! >The only time I know of Orange using HR was at Glastonbury festival >about 5 years ago, since then they've added portable BTSs A portable BTS at a large meeting like a music festival can never cope with the 1000's of users there, so they still use HR as the BTS will max out very quickly at FR(EFR). Most if not all new handsets support AMR and the equivalent to HR on this codecs is close to EFR. >AFAIK only Voda and O2 use HR at peak times on a regular basis, >the 1800MHz networks don't need to > >Steve Terry So Orange/T-Mobile get free TRX's, BSC capacity and backhaul transmission with their 1800 MHz spectrum? Joneseylah <snip> > So Orange/T-Mobile get free TRX's, BSC capacity and backhaul > transmission with their 1800 MHz spectrum? > Joneseylah i'll keep an eye on NetMonitor at peak times on my Orange, been a long time since i've bothered to watch codec rates. Although HR is common on O2 / Voda, i've never ever seen it in 8 years go to HR on Orange or T Mobile Mind you, you don't need to watch NetMonitor, you can hear it Steve Terry > >> the only network i would drop orange for is o2, but i think orange are fine. > >> Stuart [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Lot's of new O2 posters around here also say so. > Joneseylah O2 coverage has improved around here recently with some new BTSs, but in other areas they still don't have enough. Steve Terry > I am about to finally bite the bullet and move away from Orange. > ( Line 1 Virgin/EQ - Line 2 ED50) As I don't really need any off-peak > calls anymore but rather need crossnet calls (possibly off-peak) If you are not looking to port your number, I am interested in the contract as I need the L2 ED50. Pls reply here or by email. S. Althaf >I am about to finally bite the bullet and move away from Orange. >( Line 1 Virgin/EQ - Line 2 ED50) As I don't really need any off-peak [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >three looks attractive Hmm. >Is it still true that if there is no coverage it will run over O2 >network? Yes, but the call will drop and you will have to redial. No handoffs from 3 to O2. I have a 3 phone and it is cheap, but it does drop calls. Maybe 25% of all calls made when I'm moving. I don't remember the last time a call dropped on Orange, apart from when the train went into a tunnel. I'd suggest that you get a 3 phone but keep the Orange one for a while, then port the number over if you are happy with 3. SignatureVisit the Hairydog Guide to Mobile Phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html - maintainers of http://www.mobileshop.org - the on-line mobile phone guide sponsored by http://www.mobileshop.com - the online store Thinking about doing the same ... Orange is no longer what it has been... |
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