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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / October 2005Determining the charging rate/type of a call
Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and have it tell me what sort of number it is (local, national rate, premium or whatever else groupings there are), since I don't tend to recognise the various prefixes and what they mean. FWIW, the one I'm curious about this time is 0871. Cheers andyt > Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and have it tell me > what sort of number it is (local, national rate, premium or whatever [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > andyt http://www.operatelecom.com/data_page.asp?pageID=215&mid=54 Who is the company that you're trying to contact? If you go here - http://www.saynoto0870.com/ you might be able to find a geographic number for the number. Chegs. > Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and > have it tell me what sort of number it is (local, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > FWIW, the one I'm curious about this time is 0871. IIRC 0871 is 10p/min at all times. Ivor >>Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and >>have it tell me what sort of number it is (local, [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > IIRC 0871 is 10p/min at all times. Upto 10p/min. In fact 0871 can be 5ppm to 10ppm and I hear they may be introducing 10p (well 5-10p) per call numbers on 0871 as well. To the OP, what are the next three digits of the 0871? >>>Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and >>>have it tell me what sort of number it is (local, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >To the OP, what are the next three digits of the 0871? It's 0871 222 5671. It's the XScape snowslope in Castleford: http://www.xscape.co.uk/castleford/snow/ When you phone them up, the automated thing asks you allsorts of questions and gives you information that you already know. So when you finally get through to someone, you've paid them about minute of their cut already. Annoyingly, the girl you then speak to has no idea what choices you made wit the system and just gives you a generic, "hello, can I help you". Then they want an extra £1 for booking over the phone! And it's already £21 for an hour! I went for an hour a while back. They have two drag lifts but I've only ever seen one running and it goes *so* slowly. So there's big queues at the lift and the slope's hardly got anyone on, but they still don't open the other lift (well, they'd had to employ two more people to staff it!). So in an hour, for your £21, you'll probably get about 10-12 runs down the slope, if you're lucky. And you have to put a £1 in the lockers in the changing rooms... but you don't get it back! andyt >>>>Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and >>>>have it tell me what sort of number it is (local, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > It's 0871 222 5671. Rate g7, 10ppm. [snip] > When you phone them up, the automated thing asks you allsorts of > questions and gives you information that you already know. So when you [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "hello, can I help you". Then they want an extra £1 for booking over > the phone! And it's already £21 for an hour! Hmm, 10ppm * 60 minutes = £6. Plus £1 = £7. Where do you get £21 from? >>>>>Is there a site where I can type in a phone number and >>>>>have it tell me what sort of number it is (local, [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > >Hmm, 10ppm * 60 minutes = £6. Plus £1 = £7. Where do you get £21 from? What I mean is it's £21 per hour to go on the slope - before you get charged for booking, or for the phone call or to leave your stuff in a locker. And since I'm bitching, they shut the slope each evening between 6-7pm each evening to re-piste it. Fair enough, but if you get there at 5pm and want to pay for two hours (normally £31), they won't let you do it. You have to buy two separate hours (5-6pm then 7-8pm), which costs £42! Ha! Not a chance. andyt Not all 0871 calls are charged at 10p. > Not all 0871 calls are charged at 10p. Indeed, taking s8_code.txt in Ofcom's numbering database, and shoving it through something like $ grep -e "^\"871" s8_code.txt | cut -f4 -d, | sort | uniq Reveals: "10ppc" "10ppm" "5ppm" "6ppc" "6ppm" "7ppm" "8ppm" "9ppm" ppc = Pence Per Call (i.e. single drop charges) ppm = Pence Per Minute. Of course, your service provider's charges may vary. Some charge quite extortionate rates. >> Not all 0871 calls are charged at 10p. > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Of course, your service provider's charges may vary. Some charge quite > extortionate rates. BT's are perhaps the most complex. Looking at Section 2, Part 12 of their Price List http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/current/docs/Call_Charges.boo/16321.htm They identify 329 separate ranges inside 0871, specifying the charges for each one. They fall into 13 separate charge bands: ff15, ff28, g6, g7, g12, g13, g14, g15, i2, i9, i10, i11, i12 The charge for which (before discounts) is given in Section 2, Part 1 http://www.serviceview.bt.com/list/current/docs/Call_Charges.boo/0016.htm For example range 0871 626 is charged at ff28 which is fixed fee at 9.988p per call, regardless of duration, while range 0871 632 is charged at g14 which is 8p per minute. I imagine only a very tiny percentage of callers to those numbers know which of the 329 ranges the number falls in, its charge band, and price before discount. Which discounts it qualifies for and are applied, thus governing the final price paid, is a far more complex subject. Most will have given up the will to live before getting very far into that.  SignatureTim Clark >>>Not all 0871 calls are charged at 10p. >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > governing the final price paid, is a far more complex subject. Most will > have given up the will to live before getting very far into that. There are actually only 8 different charge "rates" in use at the moment. 5ppm, 6ppm, 7ppm, 8ppm, 9ppm, 10ppm , 6ppc and 10ppc. Working out which number range a number falls in is trivial, but knowing the rate given only the number is difficult for someone to do in their head. 0871 numbers are often advertised with the rate, but a consumer can know that the worst case is that it could be 10ppm or 10ppc (assuming from a BT landline etc). I'm not aware of any discount packages whihc include 0871 numbers - which ones do? >>>>Not all 0871 calls are charged at 10p. >>> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>>"8ppm" >>>"9ppm" ... >> BT's are perhaps the most complex. Looking at Section 2, Part 12 of >> their Price List [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> for each one. They fall into 13 separate charge bands: >> ff15, ff28, g6, g7, g12, g13, g14, g15, i2, i9, i10, i11, i12 ... >> I imagine only a very tiny percentage of callers to those numbers know >> which of the 329 ranges the number falls in, its charge band, and price >> before discount. Which discounts it qualifies for and are applied, thus >> governing the final price paid, is a far more complex subject. Most will >> have given up the will to live before getting very far into that. > There are actually only 8 different charge "rates" in use at the moment. > 5ppm, 6ppm, 7ppm, 8ppm, 9ppm, 10ppm , 6ppc and 10ppc. OK, I admit those 13 separate bands are, at the moment, charged at only 8 different rates: "10ppc" ff28 "10ppm" g7, i2 "5ppm" g6 "6ppc" ff15 "6ppm" g12, i9 "7ppm" g13, i10 "8ppm" g14, i11 "9ppm" g15, i12 > Working out which number range a number falls in is trivial, but knowing > the rate given only the number is difficult for someone to do in their > head. 0871 numbers are often advertised with the rate, but a consumer > can know that the worst case is that it could be 10ppm or 10ppc > (assuming from a BT landline etc). That's my point really, the best even a moderately clued-up caller can do is assume the worst case 10ppm. There's nothing which will yield any better approximation other than looking it up in the full table of hundreds of ranges. > I'm not aware of any discount > packages which include 0871 numbers - which ones do? BT Working Together (For Residential Lines) - Section 55 Part 6 of the Price List - has an inclusive call alowance which gives 100% discount on eligible calls upto that allowance amount. Eligible calls include, "Calls to numbers shown in Section 2 Part 10, 11, 12, 13, 14 or 15 of the BT Price List with a Categorisation for Customer Options of 3, 7, 8, 10 or 11." 0871 numbers tend to fall into categories 2, 5 and 8. So those 0871 ranges in category 8 are eligible, other 0871 numbers are not. BT Business Choices: The 2000 Series (Section 56 Part 11) has a 5% discount for calls in category 2. So that would apply to calls to 0871 805, but not 0871 803 or 0871 809! Some g7 (10ppm) ranges are category 2 and so reduced to 9.5ppm after discount, others are category 5 and so stay at 10ppm. Aaghhh! - anyone still reading - thought not. SignatureTim Clark >>I'm not aware of any discount >>packages which include 0871 numbers - which ones do? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > and so reduced to 9.5ppm after discount, others are category 5 and so > stay at 10ppm. Thank you. One learns something new every day. |
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