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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / October 2005070998400426 07099830431 Silent Calls
I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. Any ideas? > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. Do you means calls or missed calls? It the latter, then probably premium rate numbers. >"when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. > > Any ideas? Sounds like a scam Unfortunately you're going to get stung when your next bill arrives :-( > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. > > Any ideas? Surley this is ilegal, and I wad my 50p back! How do we go about shutting down this scam ?  SignatureMarc Visit http://www.iMarc.co.uk/ for contact information.. > > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US > > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > How do we go about shutting down this scam ? Two ways of dealing with this. The most effective is likely to be by reporting this to ICSTIS, which regulates use of premium rate numbers on behalf of Ofcom. http://www.icstis.org.uk Secondly, Silent Calls are dealt with by Ofcom itself, as is use of premium rate numbers as CLI. contact@ofcom.org.uk David ------------------------------------------------------------------ For lots on the campaign against Silent Calls and other related nuisance please visit http://www.users.waitrose.com/~SilentCalls/ ------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Surley this is ilegal, and I wad my 50p back! No it's not illegal, yet. > > How do we go about shutting down this scam ? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > regulates use of premium rate numbers on behalf of Ofcom. > http://www.icstis.org.uk 0709 are not premium rate numbers. They are "personal" numbers, sometimes called "follow-me" numbers but they can legally cost up to 50p/min. In theory this should not be passed on to the owner of the number, but the scam makes money for the registrant, so working together the crims can screw you. Lesson? Don't ring back a non-geographic (01* or 02*) number you don't recognise, ever. Full story here http://forums.vnunet.com/thread.jsp?forum=2&thread=25626&message=124726 Alan > 0709 are not premium rate numbers. They are "personal" numbers, > sometimes called "follow-me" numbers but they can legally cost up to > 50p/min. That's premium rate to me. > > 0709 are not premium rate numbers. They are "personal" numbers, > > sometimes called "follow-me" numbers but they can legally cost up to > > 50p/min. > > That's premium rate to me. Please accept my apologies. 07.. numbers are not covered by ICSTIS. Making Silent Calls is covered by Ofcom itself, as is use of 07.. numbers as CLI. Both are regarded as examples of "misuse of a telecommunications network or service". David >> > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US >> > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > regulates use of premium rate numbers on behalf of Ofcom. > http://www.icstis.org.uk No, you mean the most "*in*effective" way is to involve ICSTIS. The biggest waste of taxpayers money ever, set up purely as a quango to provide cushy jobs for those who've done favours for Governments. > No, you mean the most "*in*effective" way is to involve ICSTIS. > > The biggest waste of taxpayers money ever, set up purely as a quango to > provide cushy jobs for those who've done favours for Governments. I only said *most* effective. How would you rate Ofcom and the ICO by comparison? David >> No, you mean the most "*in*effective" way is to involve ICSTIS. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > David Never had dealings with Ofcom so I can't comment but they're both Government quangos so the chances of them actually doing anything more than they have to is remote. They don't call this island Rip-Off Britain for nothing! > Never had dealings with Ofcom so I can't comment but they're both Government > quangos so the chances of them actually doing anything more than they have > to is remote. > > They don't call this island Rip-Off Britain for nothing! I am happy for you, whatever bad experience you may have had with ICSTIS, at least they have taken action against some of those contributors to Rip-Off Britain that they are meant to control. In the area of concern to me this cannot be said of Ofcom, nor of the ICO in related areas. There are however a few of us who believe that it is worth trying to create the circumstances in which they have to act, and I hope to see some results shortly. Thanks for your comment. David > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. > > Any ideas? Why do people phone the numbers back! If people want to get in touch they will wait for the phone to go to answer machine. The more daft people that respond to scams, the longer it will go on. > Why do people phone the numbers back! If people want to get in touch they > will wait for the phone to go to answer machine. > > The more daft people that respond to scams, the longer it will go on. The trouble with these numbers is that they start 07, as do all mobiles now. You have to be fairly in the know, to be aware that if the third digit is a zero it is not a mobile number. Yes it could be forwared to a mobile but isn't actually a mobile number. So people see a missed call fom a mobile and return it. aehj@nbhigpa.invalid declared for all the world to hear... > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. 070xx are personal follow-me numbers, which are quite expensive to call and the owner of the number gets a cut of the calling revenue. In short, unless you know for sure that someone you know has an 070 number then don't ever call one. SignatureRegards Jon > aehj@nbhigpa.invalid declared for all the world to hear... > > I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US > > based, when you call back you get same message, trying to locate.. > > 070xx are personal follow-me numbers, which are quite expensive to call > and the owner of the number gets a cut of the calling revenue. Not true, AFAIK. The number-owner cannot profit from his 070 number if what I read a few weeks ago is true. However the *issuer* of a follow-me number can, which is a loophole allowing this scam to operate. See my earlier post. > In short, unless you know for sure that someone you know has an 070 > number then don't ever call one. Agreed. >> aehj@nbhigpa.invalid declared for all the world to hear... >>> I've received silent calls from both these numbers, appear to be US [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> number then don't ever call one. > Agreed. I'm actually quite surprised that Oftel allowed this to happen - the std code for Rotherham used to be 0709 before it changed to 01709! -- Neil |
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