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Ben - 27 May 2006 23:23 GMT
My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
prefer just basic business models.

She would use it for radio/mp3 on public transport
Camera - decent camera wanted (currently has an original Nokia 6230
where camera not great)
Text
Not that much voice use

Any recommendations?
Brian - 27 May 2006 23:30 GMT
> My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
> prefer just basic business models.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Any recommendations?

SE 800 is a good start.  That has MP3 player, camera and can text and be
used fo voice.
Ivor Jones - 28 May 2006 00:07 GMT
>> My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
>> prefer just basic business models.
>>
>> She would use it for radio/mp3 on public transport

Not on any public transport that I'm on at the same time, I hope...

Ivor
GC - 28 May 2006 00:14 GMT
 Very helpful to the gentleman's question........

 >
 > "Brian" <briannospam@btbospaminternet.com> wrote in message
 > news:Jp4eg.4216$O7.757@newsfe5-win.ntli.net...
 >>
 >> "Ben" <no@thank.you> wrote in message
 >> news:MPG.1ee2e1a89e514e4e9896b2@news.gradwell.com...
 >>> My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles
and
 >>> prefer just basic business models.
 >>>
 >>> She would use it for radio/mp3 on public transport
 >
 > Not on any public transport that I'm on at the same time, I hope...
 >
 > Ivor
 >
 >
Ivor Jones - 28 May 2006 04:48 GMT
>  Very helpful to the gentleman's question........

What was, Mr. Top Poster..?

Ivor
Irma Troll - 28 May 2006 11:07 GMT
>>  Very helpful to the gentleman's question........
>
> What was, Mr. Top Poster..?
>
> Ivor

Top-Poster = Individual expressing their freedom of choice.
Top-Poster policeman = troll.

Irma
Ivor Jones - 28 May 2006 10:24 GMT
>>>  Very helpful to the gentleman's question........
>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> Top-Poster = Individual expressing their freedom of choice.
> Top-Poster policeman = troll.

Ok, I express my freedom of choice to call top posters plonkers and those
that defend them bigger plonkers.

Ivor
Irma Troll - 28 May 2006 14:58 GMT
>>>>  Very helpful to the gentleman's question........
>>> What was, Mr. Top Poster..?
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Ivor

Your call bud, if you want to make yourself look a complete cnut.
Irma
gort - 28 May 2006 19:18 GMT
> Your call bud, if you want to make yourself look a complete cnut.
> Irma

Well thats 2 of you then !!
Ivor Jones - 28 May 2006 22:04 GMT
> > Your call bud, if you want to make yourself look a
> > complete cnut. Irma
>
> Well thats 2 of you then !!

At risk of descending even further into vulgarity, I will say no more,
except that c***ts are at least useful, which is more than can be said for
top posters and their defenders.

At least I don't hide behind a stupid pseudonym.

Ivor
Irma Troll - 29 May 2006 00:06 GMT
> At least I don't hide behind a stupid pseudonym.

Which is a sign of a tiny or damaged brain.
Irma
Ed Chilada - 29 May 2006 10:51 GMT
>> > Your call bud, if you want to make yourself look a
>> > complete cnut. Irma
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
>At least I don't hide behind a stupid pseudonym.

That's your *real* name? LOL!
Thomas B - 28 May 2006 12:18 GMT
>>>  Very helpful to the gentleman's question........
>>
>> What was, Mr. Top Poster..?
>>
>> Ivor

When outlook express is tweaked to ensure people type after the comment,
then we can perhaps complain more.
Ivor Jones - 28 May 2006 13:42 GMT
>>>>  Very helpful to the gentleman's question........
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> When outlook express is tweaked to ensure people type after the comment,
> then we can perhaps complain more.

Already done:

http://home.in.tum.de/~jain/software/oe-quotefix/

which though useful doesn't excuse laziness.

Ivor
Thomas B - 28 May 2006 18:08 GMT
>> When outlook express is tweaked to ensure people type after the comment,
>> then we can perhaps complain more.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Ivor

I know it's annoying, but usually newsgroup newbies learn after they see the
majority of users posting as is expected.

Incidentilly I did try that wee utility a while ago, but couldn't get it to
work for some reason.
hairydog@despammed.com - 28 May 2006 20:45 GMT
>When outlook express is tweaked to ensure people type after the comment,
>then we can perhaps complain more.

If the default was to start typing at the bottom, the cretins would
include the whole preceding message thread.

Every news client puts the cursor at the top so that you can review
the preceding message and decide how much of it to leave as a quote.

Admittedly OE makes it harder than it should, but there are better,
free alternatives people could use.

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G a z . - 29 May 2006 00:06 GMT
> Every news client puts the cursor at the top so that you can review
> the preceding message and decide how much of it to leave as a quote.

Wrong, decent news clients do not do that, well those that are not MS
anyway!
deadmail@burnt.org.uk - 29 May 2006 08:08 GMT
G a z . <spamno@email.com> wrote in message
<MPG.1ee43d3e1df925d4989863@news.athenanews.com>:

>> Every news client puts the cursor at the top so that you can review
>> the preceding message and decide how much of it to leave as a quote.
>
>Wrong, decent news clients do not do that, well those that are not MS
>anyway!

Agent does.  
Stephen (Sausagefans.com) - 29 May 2006 08:33 GMT
> Agent does.  

Gravity does not.
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G a z . - 29 May 2006 13:22 GMT
> > Agent does.  
>
> Gravity does not.

Gravity 2.60b (Super Gravity) does, as that is what I use, it is just
a shame that it has no sepll chequer though! ;-)
Irma Troll - 29 May 2006 18:12 GMT
>>> Agent does.  
>> Gravity does not.
>
> Gravity 2.60b (Super Gravity) does, as that is what I use, it is just
> a shame that it has no sepll chequer though! ;-)

Nor a spell-checker.
Irma
Ed Chilada - 29 May 2006 20:32 GMT
>>>> Agent does.  
>>> Gravity does not.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>Nor a spell-checker.

Oh. My. God.
G a z . - 29 May 2006 20:43 GMT
> >> Gravity 2.60b (Super Gravity) does, as that is what I use, it is just
> >> a shame that it has no sepll chequer though! ;-)
> >
> >Nor a spell-checker.
>
> Oh. My. God.

I did notice!

I think that was/is a Whooooosh...
Stephen (Sausagefans.com) - 29 May 2006 08:32 GMT
> When outlook express is tweaked to ensure people type after the comment,
> then we can perhaps complain more.

OE puts the cursor at the top so that people can trim on the way down.
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Derek ^ - 28 May 2006 18:36 GMT
>Top-Poster = Individual expressing their freedom of choice.

Not usually.

Usually somebody who, having a dead brain,  just accepts the defaults
Micro$loth has coded into outlook express.

Top-Poster = about as welcome as those who drive on the wrong side of
the road.

DG
Irma Troll - 29 May 2006 00:07 GMT
> Top-Poster = about as welcome as those who drive on the wrong side of
> the road.

Only because you are on the other side - remember, in another country
YOU will be considered as being on the WRONG side.
Irma
Marc - 29 May 2006 18:46 GMT
> Usually somebody who, having a dead brain,  just accepts the defaults
> Micro$loth has coded into outlook express.

You need to remember that not everyone is a computer expert like
yourself. They might not be aware of alternatives. Saying these people
have dead brains just confirms your ignorance.

Just because someone isn't up to scratch with the latest news clients,
it doesn't make them stupid. There was a time when these "newbies" were
welcomed instead of insulted.

> Top-Poster = about as welcome as those who drive on the wrong side of
> the road.

That's a really bad analogy. No one is gonna get hurt here, it's not the
law for a start. it's more like people who insist on driving along at
30mph in a 50 zone. Annoying to some, not really worth creating a big
deal over.

Marc
Irma Troll - 29 May 2006 22:01 GMT
>> Usually somebody who, having a dead brain,  just accepts the defaults
>> Micro$loth has coded into outlook express.
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> Marc

Well put! The top poster self-appointed police are at best, just a bunch
of trolls, at worst, complete w.nkers.
Irma
Ivor Jones - 30 May 2006 02:32 GMT
[snip]

> Well put! The top poster self-appointed police are at
> best, just a bunch of trolls, at worst, complete w.nkers.
> Irma

You are entitled to your opinion, but by the same token so am I. Also,
should I know the answer to a question asked, it is extremely unlikely I
will reply with that answer to a persistent top poster.

If you want the answer to a question on any newsgroup, it is a very good
idea to post on that group in the generally accepted format.

Ivor
Ed Chilada - 30 May 2006 08:20 GMT
>[snip]
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>You are entitled to your opinion, but by the same token so am I.

So why don't you think he is entitled to his opinion WRT posting
format?

> Also, should I know the answer to a question asked, it is extremely
> unlikely I will reply with that answer to a persistent top poster.

Well boo hoo. Perhaps if you're *so* small minded to behave like that,
then perhaps your replies would be similarly worthless.
Irma Troll - 30 May 2006 09:40 GMT
>> [snip]
>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Well boo hoo. Perhaps if you're *so* small minded to behave like that,
> then perhaps your replies would be similarly worthless.

Exactly my thoughts.
Irma
Ivor Jones - 30 May 2006 10:16 GMT
[snip]

> > You are entitled to your opinion, but by the same token
> > so am I.
>
> So why don't you think he is entitled to his opinion WRT
> posting format?

He is perfectly entitled to his *opinion* but if he wants a reply in a
group which by convention does not top post, then he should abide by that
convention.

Ivor
Andy Luckman (AJL Electronics) - 30 May 2006 09:35 GMT
> Just because someone isn't up to scratch with the latest news clients,
> it doesn't make them stupid.

Nothing to do with technology. Common sense dictates that an answer FOLLOWS
a question. You have to wonder about those who can't even grasp that.

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Marc - 30 May 2006 18:32 GMT
> Nothing to do with technology. Common sense dictates that an answer FOLLOWS
> a question. You have to wonder about those who can't even grasp that.

Common sense I hear you say?

Common sense really down to the person in question. Some people might be
of the opinion that putting the new material at the top is easier.
Rarely is a post ever taken out of the context of the discussion, what
with modern newsreaders that cache articles, and Google Groups.

I had this discussion about 8 years ago, its a matter of respecting
other people and how they like do things. Who gives a damn? I can't be
bothered with any more posts to this thread as I really do have better
things to be doing.

Marc
Ed Chilada - 31 May 2006 00:01 GMT
>> Just because someone isn't up to scratch with the latest news clients,
>> it doesn't make them stupid.
>
>Nothing to do with technology. Common sense dictates that an answer FOLLOWS
>a question. You have to wonder about those who can't even grasp that.

Well firstly it's a small percentage of posts that are direct
questions and answers anyway. And secondly, the answer *does* follow
the question since the question is in the previous post. You're
talking about the position of the *quote* and as Marc says, you should
respect where people prefer to put the quote in their posts. It's not
like it's hard work to figure out. You have to wonder about those who
can't even grasp a different posting style.
Irma Troll - 31 May 2006 10:41 GMT
>>> Just because someone isn't up to scratch with the latest news clients,
>>> it doesn't make them stupid.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> like it's hard work to figure out. You have to wonder about those who
> can't even grasp a different posting style.

Exactly.
I always welcome top and bottom posters with equal interest.
What pisses me off are the self-appointed (self-important) 'net police
whose limit of intelligence is to slag off top posters.
I suppose I should be more considerate, understanding that these sad
f**kers don't have a real life or aren't capable of proper discussion.
Irma
Marc - 29 May 2006 18:40 GMT
> What was, Mr. Top Poster..?

Seriously, that comment makes you look about 12 years old :-\
Jon - 28 May 2006 17:35 GMT
no@thank.you declared for all the world to hear...
> My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
> prefer just basic business models.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Any recommendations?

SonyEricsson W800 or the newer and slightly more expensive W810i. Both
ship with 512Mb memory cards and are excellent for music, and have 2
megapixel cameras with autofocus and flash.
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Ben - 28 May 2006 23:18 GMT
> no@thank.you declared for all the world to hear...
> > My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> ship with 512Mb memory cards and are excellent for music, and have 2
> megapixel cameras with autofocus and flash.

She is using a 1gb memory card in the 6230 and says its not enough ...
wants more choice of music.

Will the w810i take large memory cards? .... i'll google it ....
The Drone - 30 May 2006 00:05 GMT
>> no@thank.you declared for all the world to hear...
>> > My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>> ship with 512Mb memory cards and are excellent for music, and have 2
>> megapixel cameras with autofocus and flash.

I don't know about the 800 (or 810) but my 750 doesn't have flash. It
has an LED light but flash is available as an extra that plugs into the
end of the phone. I thought the 800/810 were the same - but I could be
wrong.

>She is using a 1gb memory card in the 6230 and says its not enough ...
>wants more choice of music.

>Will the w810i take large memory cards? .... i'll google it ....

I think they're all supposed to take up to 2GB.
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Marc - 29 May 2006 18:38 GMT
> My better half is after a new phone ... I know little about mobiles and
> prefer just basic business models.
>
> She would use it for radio/mp3 on public transport
> Camera - decent camera wanted (currently has an original Nokia 6230
> where camera not great)

The 6230i I'd say. Better screen, better camera, takes the same memory
cards. It can do MP3/Radio and will be the same interface.

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