Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / October 2006
Bye-bye, Vodafone
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Sprite - 20 Oct 2006 10:22 GMT It's that time of the 18 month cycle again. I would say 'time of the year', but the current trend is 18 month contracts isn't it? :)
Incoming rant! :)
Last time it was new contract time, I was obsessed with the Sony Ericsson S700i. At the time, it seemed to only be available on Vodafone and O2, so I went into the Vodafone shop where I was pleasantly surprised by their helpfulness and commitment to getting me a contract that really suited my needs - they mixed and match some old and new contract bits and pieces to get me something quite nifty, so I was happy.
Renewal time.
I fancy the K800 now, as a die-hard Sony Ericsson fan since I got my first, so I called up to ask about an upgrade. £20.
For a returned one.
Forgive me for not being especially enthused by this idea. Perhaps I'm too fussy, and I was told it was the sort of phone that would have 'gone out to the wrong customer' when, having worked in retail, my guess is more along the lines of 'they decided they didn't like it', but that could just be the cynic in me.
I pointed out that there were new contracts and offers, with half price line rental and things like that, which appealed more to me. It's the age old story of new customers getting better deals. And then he started.
Exaggerating wildly, he told me it would cost me 'at least £40 to leave' (twisting the fact that I still have 3 weeks left on my current contract which I would effectively be paying either way). I made the mistake of mentioning that I since bought a K750i (yeah, gadgethead :)) which is unlocked and then he said they'd give me £49 for it, so before I knew it, I was 'throwing away £100 if I left Vodafone' - well, sorry, I'd quite like to hang onto the K750 too or sell it to a friend in need. He didn't seem to understand this, either.
I'm not quite sure what happened next, but soon the figure was up to £200, because of no doubt the charge I would pay on a new handset in a new contract, or maybe that some of the contracts I mentioned to him that appealed were slightly more expensive. (Had he looked at my spending, he would see that I frequently go over my allotted minutes/texts etc, spending £40-£60/month instead of £17....) By this time my brain had shut off. I wonder if he was trying to confuse me with numbers, or underestimated my researching and pegged me for a 'silly female' because we can't possibly know about phones? :)
It just amazed me that someone who is meant to try and sell people things, or encourage their custom, could make them feel so annoyed :P Or indeed refuse to listen to a word I was saying. I redialled the cancellation dept. and have now sent in my letter... it's off to Orange I go where international calling/texting is actually considerably cheaper, and I have a shiny fun new contract called a 'dolphin' :)
So yes, I do still have the remainder of my Voda contract to use up (but grr, they make it hard to leave, sending a letter with 30 days notice, I'm sure other providers have let me do it over the phone and it's been a shorter period), but I don't actually give Orange any money until December which is nice :P
Rant over :D
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The Drone - 20 Oct 2006 14:58 GMT >It's that time of the 18 month cycle again. I would say 'time of the year', >but the current trend is 18 month contracts isn't it? :)
>Incoming rant! :) snip rant!
>Rant over :D Yeah, they bug me too. I've been with them since 1996, always on contracts, though fairly low value. My first phone lasted me 5 years and I could upgrade free to a T39m, which lasted for another 3.5 years. Then I decided to get something else and the "Upgrade" offers were pathetic, because my monthly payments are so low. But for heaven's sake, if they look over the contract, I'd have thought they'd done OK?
OTOH, the offer on a new contract was brilliant. OK, it was for 18 months because I wanted "Stop the Clock". Half-price rental for 6 months, free K750i - and a free HP photo printer!
Why?
It cost us both. It cost them more (half-price, printer) than I was looking for with an upgrade and I lost the number I'd had for over 8 years. It seems to make no sense. I guess they are being rewarded (or viewed by the city) on the number of /new/ subscribers?
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Sprite - 20 Oct 2006 17:18 GMT >>It's that time of the 18 month cycle again. I would say 'time of the >>year', [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > years. It seems to make no sense. I guess they are being rewarded (or > viewed by the city) on the number of /new/ subscribers? He did try to make a big deal about me losing my number - the truth is, I don't really care that much as my phone is really used socially. I can just tell anyone who matters my new number, and so be it. In fact, changing number is sometimes a breath of fresh air for those you don't want to 'associate' with so much socially anymore. :)
The ironic thing is, if you take out a new contract with another network, you can *keep* your number. I'm sure the person I spoke to in the cancellations department would've offered me something a lot more tempting than a hand-me-down (*cough*exaggeration*cough*) but I was honestly extremely put off by the guy, and wanted a 'clean break' I suppose, after our conversation.
Now, maybe if, when she asked, "anything I can do to tempt you to stay?" I had said "yeah, fire that moron", I might've found something more appealling
:)) I compare this to Orange - Orange have an offer where they give upgrade customers the *same* package options as new customers. They also reduce your line rental each year. Orange Wednesdays. Magic Number (free calls to one specific number) plus lots of addons and nice people, and the ability to cancel over the phone. There's a lot of nice benefits..
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Simon Dobson - 20 Oct 2006 19:53 GMT > It's that time of the 18 month cycle again. I would say 'time of the year', > but the current trend is 18 month contracts isn't it? :) Only if you humour them by signing up for one.
Keep it up and it'll be two years before you know it.
Gizmo - 21 Oct 2006 13:10 GMT > It's that time of the 18 month cycle again. I would say 'time of the > year', but the current trend is 18 month contracts isn't it? :) Make the most of it. The service providers are about to start pushing 24 month contracts :o/
MinervaUK - 23 Oct 2006 10:11 GMT Sorry to hear of the problems you had, Sprite.
Regarding the offer of a refurbished handset, when you mention 'it went to the wrong customer' / 'the customer didn't like it', it does involve a bit of both. A refurbished handset is one that has been returned to Vodafone within the 14 day cooling off period. All handsets are tested upon return to make sure they're fully functional. The largest number of return handsets come from those that have been ordered online or via telephone (e.g. the user didn't get a good look at the equipment before ordering, other than maybe a photograph - this can highlight the benefits of upgrading in a store where you can view the equipment first hand before taking it out).
Contract offers on upgrades can vary from those for first time customers. The way I've often looked at it is, everybody gets the first time promotional offer when they take out the contract, then receive upgrade contracts from that point onwards. As mentioned on another thread today, it's always possible to keep your number by requesting a PAC (port authorisation code), this lets you take your number to another network. If your Vodafone contract is still in place (e.g. you say you've sent off a cancellation letter but you're still inside your 30 days) and you really wanted to keep your number you could always override this by calling customer services and requesting a PAC, although I must stress if your Orange contract is now officially signed then you wouldn't be able to port the number over as part of it (this has to be done at point of taking out a new contract, I imagine Orange may have already issued you with a new number).
Again, working for Vodafone I'm sorry to hear of the problems you had. Although in hindsight I hope the above helps give you a little more detail on PAC codes and the like for the future.
> It's that time of the 18 month cycle again. I would say 'time of the year', > but the current trend is 18 month contracts isn't it? :) [quoted text clipped - 58 lines] > > Rant over :D Sprite - 23 Oct 2006 12:06 GMT Can't seem to quote properly here so I'll use "s :)
"Contract offers on upgrades can vary from those for first time customers. The way I've often looked at it is, everybody gets the first time promotional offer when they take out the contract, then receive upgrade contracts from that point onwards."
This is something that I've always understood to be the norm, but times are changing it seems. Have a looksie at this: http://shop.orange.co.uk/shop/show/offer/switch_to_a_plan?WT.mc_id=oct06114_ex_08 I will always be impressed by the service which rewards its existing customers. ;)
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Jon - 23 Oct 2006 20:16 GMT vtest27@mail2web.com declared for all the world to hear...
> If your Vodafone contract is still in place (e.g. you > say you've sent off a cancellation letter but you're still inside your [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > has to be done at point of taking out a new contract, I imagine Orange > may have already issued you with a new number). Orange do actually allow porting-in at any point in the contract, not just at point of connection. This applies to PAYG and contract.
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Sprite - 24 Oct 2006 19:10 GMT > Sorry to hear of the problems you had, Sprite. Oh boy, all is forgiven it seems! Had yet another courtesy call from Vodafone, from someone who's job it is to try to stop people cancelling. The outcome of this is;
A free, new Sony Ericsson K800i. A 12 month instead of an 18 month contract. (£30/month for 200 anytime mins/500 texts) 6 months half price (so £15/month, not a cashback, just discounted) Vodafone Passport (which apparently gives you benefit from calling within the UK to international countries, something I didn't know. Minerva, perhaps you could just confirm this for me before I rack up a huge bill -> I want to make a call from my mobile phone to Norway. I was just told that Passport works in this way, allowing me to pay the one-off charge and then use my set minutes. Is this correct? I only ask as looking at the website all it talks about is doing it from other countries back to the UK) Stop The Clock
I think that was about it :) Tomorrow I will be refusing delivery for the Orange handset, then! :P
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Sprite - 24 Oct 2006 19:27 GMT >> Sorry to hear of the problems you had, Sprite. > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > website all it talks about is doing it from other countries back to the > UK) Hm, just called Voda and I've been told he was not correct /gasp.
Oh well, the other stuff is still shiny.
 Signature Sue
Jon - 24 Oct 2006 22:19 GMT sue.kitchen@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear...
> Minerva, > perhaps you could just confirm this for me before I rack up a huge bill -> I > want to make a call from my mobile phone to Norway. I was just told that > Passport works in this way, allowing me to pay the one-off charge and then > use my set minutes. Is this correct? No, it's the other way around. If you were in Norway calling back to the UK it would help you.
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Sprite - 25 Oct 2006 01:31 GMT > sue.kitchen@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear... >> Minerva, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > No, it's the other way around. If you were in Norway calling back to the > UK it would help you. As I thought :\ Lying little toerag! I upgraded the tariff on his assurance I could use those minutes. Thought it was too good to be true, so I'll have to see if I can downgrade it again tomorrow which should be possible methinks...
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MinervaUK - 27 Oct 2006 08:44 GMT Hi Sue,
Sorry for the late reply. As Jon says, Vodafone Passport only works while you're overseas: full information below:
http://www.abroad.vodafone.co.uk/index.cfm?do=cost.passport&me=a2&nu=1&le=2
Vodafone do offer a service which will allow you cheap calls from the UK to abroad, but this would be something called International Call Saver rather than Vodafone Passport. It might be worth having a check to see if this has been included along with Passport as part of the offer. International Call Saver will bill at 'Vodafone World' rates, there's more information below, including a link to a zone / charge chart which allows you to work out the rate of any costs to Norway:
http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true& _pageLabel=Page_BOS_MainContent&pageID=GM_0146
> > sue.kitchen@ntlworld.com declared for all the world to hear... > >> Minerva, [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I'll have to see if I can downgrade it again tomorrow which should be > possible methinks...
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