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PAYG GPRS Costs

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Barney - 24 Oct 2006 17:41 GMT
Does anyone know off hand who is cheapest for GPRS on pay as you go?

I'm looking to get a seperate sim card for my XDA as it's a bit impractivcle
as a phone, but good for checking email on :)

Cheers,

B
Stephen Henson - 25 Oct 2006 03:45 GMT
> Does anyone know off hand who is cheapest for GPRS on pay as you go?
>
> I'm looking to get a seperate sim card for my XDA as it's a bit impractivcle
> as a phone, but good for checking email on :)

Depends on your usage pattern.

Orange do a £1 daily unlimited GPRS add on and a £4 for 4Mb add on too
that lasts a month. Otherwise it is £4 per Mb. So it can be expensive if
you forget to activate the add on.

T-mobile PAYG have a daily charge limit of £1. If you use more than 133K
you'll hit that because it is 0.75p per KB.

If you plan to do a lot of GPRS then a T-mobile SIM only contract with
WnW add on works out at £15 a month including 50 anytime minutes and
unlimited GPRS.

T-mobile allows 3G, Orange doesn't. That wouldn't matter with an XDA
though.

Steve.
Peter - 25 Oct 2006 21:32 GMT
>Orange do a £1 daily unlimited GPRS add on and a £4 for 4Mb add on too
>that lasts a month. Otherwise it is £4 per Mb. So it can be expensive if
>you forget to activate the add on.

Is the above UK only, or roaming?

Voda do £3.06/MB on their special "data" SIM cards; £9/MB abroad.

Virgin do £5/MB Uk and abroad, but they block some ports (see below).
They do offer a direct debit option which opens up the roaming
coverage, but they block some ports.

>T-mobile PAYG have a daily charge limit of £1. If you use more than 133K
>you'll hit that because it is 0.75p per KB.

Does that mean they cut you off after you have spent £1?

>If you plan to do a lot of GPRS then a T-mobile SIM only contract with
>WnW add on works out at £15 a month including 50 anytime minutes and
>unlimited GPRS.
>
>T-mobile allows 3G, Orange doesn't. That wouldn't matter with an XDA
>though.

TM also blocks a load of ports (one can see this on Virgin GPRS).

The only network I know of that is wide open, and has reasonable
coverage (Orange doesn't) is Voda. But they are pricey.

There is an Italian SIM card called "Wind" which is much cheaper than
any of the above, but it's hard to get without having to go to Italy
initially, to register it on their network.

Personally I am on Voda, because they don't seem to block any ports,
cost £3.06/MB in the UK, and allow fax both ways. They *arguably* also
have the best PAYG coverage, both UK and abroad. It's possible that
Virgin (on DD) offers marginally better roaming coverage.
Stephen Henson - 26 Oct 2006 00:48 GMT
> >Orange do a £1 daily unlimited GPRS add on and a £4 for 4Mb add on too
> >that lasts a month. Otherwise it is £4 per Mb. So it can be expensive if
> >you forget to activate the add on.
>
> Is the above UK only, or roaming?

UK only.

> >T-mobile PAYG have a daily charge limit of £1. If you use more than 133K
> >you'll hit that because it is 0.75p per KB.
>
> Does that mean they cut you off after you have spent £1?

No they maximum charge is £1 a day. Usage is unlimited subject to
various conditions.

> >If you plan to do a lot of GPRS then a T-mobile SIM only contract with
> >WnW add on works out at £15 a month including 50 anytime minutes and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> TM also blocks a load of ports (one can see this on Virgin GPRS).

I haven't noticed any blocked ports on contract (SIM only + WnW Pro)
don't use PAYG myself though.

Steve.
Stew Pid - 26 Oct 2006 08:23 GMT

> I haven't noticed any blocked ports on contract (SIM only + WnW Pro)
> don't use PAYG myself though.
>
> Steve.

Agree with you, I have a T-mobile contract with WnW plus and a PAYG sim
and haven't noticed any blocked ports yet. ssh , ftp , vpn , email all
work fine.
occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk - 26 Oct 2006 16:25 GMT
>> I haven't noticed any blocked ports on contract (SIM only + WnW Pro)
>> don't use PAYG myself though.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>and haven't noticed any blocked ports yet. ssh , ftp , vpn , email all
>work fine.

What about the Windows (PPTP) VPN? Virgin block that particular one.

I haven't tried IPSEC yet; it's supported by win2000/XP but is a pig
to get it working.
Stew Pid - 26 Oct 2006 17:55 GMT
On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:25:48 +0100, occassionally-confused wrote:
> What about the Windows (PPTP) VPN? Virgin block that particular one.
>
> I haven't tried IPSEC yet; it's supported by win2000/XP but is a pig to
> get it working.

PPTP is what I have been using and it works fine, I haven't needed to try
IPsec yet.
Jack Torrence - 26 Oct 2006 10:16 GMT
>>Orange do a £1 daily unlimited GPRS add on and a £4 for 4Mb add on too
>>that lasts a month. Otherwise it is £4 per Mb. So it can be expensive if
>>you forget to activate the add on.
>
> Is the above UK only, or roaming?

Certainly not roaming. 0.5mb cost me nearly £5 in Lanzarote.
Phil - 26 Oct 2006 10:21 GMT
> Certainly not roaming. 0.5mb cost me nearly £5 in Lanzarote.

You need a virgin sim for roaming.
Brian McIlwrath - 26 Oct 2006 10:57 GMT
: > Certainly not roaming. 0.5mb cost me nearly £5 in Lanzarote.

: You need a virgin sim for roaming.

Still not cheap! Virgin are £5/Mb while Orange are £8/Mb for PAYG (according to
their latest shop handout)
occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk - 26 Oct 2006 16:28 GMT
>: > Certainly not roaming. 0.5mb cost me nearly £5 in Lanzarote.
>
>: You need a virgin sim for roaming.
>
>Still not cheap! Virgin are £5/Mb while Orange are £8/Mb for PAYG (according to
>their latest shop handout)

Yes, Voda are £9/£10 (depending whether you have one of their rare
"data" cards, or an off the peg PAYG card), Virgin are £5 but block
some ports.

There is a SIM card called WIND which is from an Italian network.
Somebody was selling it online pre-registered (so you didn't have to
go to Italy to register it :)) but the last email I got from him was
that he can't get any more for the moment. That card was very good;
something like £1/MB for all roaming. It appears to be freely
available in Italy though.

I suspect there is a lot of PAYG GRPS deals like that - if you know
where to look. Topping them up is another matter....
Alan J Robertson - 08 Nov 2006 19:37 GMT
>> Does anyone know off hand who is cheapest for GPRS on pay as you go?
>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> T-mobile allows 3G, Orange doesn't. That wouldn't matter with an XDA
> though.

Ahh - so the T-Mobile max £1/day deal works on 3G?  Do you need a
special 3G PAYG USIM for that or does a normal T-Mobile SIM in a 3G
phone work?  I've got some spare T-Mobile PAYG SIMs lying around and if
I can get 3G access for max £1/day then I'd prefer to use that than the
Orange £1 non-3G deal.

Cheers

Alan
hairydog@despammed.com - 08 Nov 2006 22:51 GMT
>Ahh - so the T-Mobile max £1/day deal works on 3G?  

Yes

>Do you need a
>special 3G PAYG USIM for that

No

>or does a normal T-Mobile SIM in a 3G
>phone work?

Yes

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Alan J Robertson - 10 Nov 2006 17:49 GMT
>> Ahh - so the T-Mobile max £1/day deal works on 3G?  
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Yes

Sweet! :D

Cheers for the quick reply.

Alan
Bob Coates - 27 Oct 2006 19:39 GMT
> Does anyone know off hand who is cheapest for GPRS on pay as you go?
>
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> B

Don't know if they're cheapest or not, but I use Easymobile. They charge £3
per MB charged in kB chunks.
When roaming, they don't seem to list their charges but I found it to be
about £10 per MB when in the USA recently.

BobC
hairydog@despammed.com - 29 Oct 2006 21:05 GMT
>Don't know if they're cheapest or not, but I use Easymobile. They charge £3
>per MB charged in kB chunks.

Are you sure? I had to do something over GPRS and the only connection
available was easymobile. I got through £60 worth of credit in one
evening.

And they still charged me 75p per month because my call spend hadn't
reached £5 that quarter.

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occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk - 30 Oct 2006 13:14 GMT
>Are you sure? I had to do something over GPRS and the only connection
>available was easymobile. I got through £60 worth of credit in one
>evening.

I once blew away £150 in an hour, with Vodafone, in the USA. GPRS runs
2x faster over there than here...

One has to be really careful. Disable windoze auto update, antivirus
auto update, etc.
Soruk - 30 Oct 2006 19:16 GMT
>>Are you sure? I had to do something over GPRS and the only connection
>>available was easymobile. I got through £60 worth of credit in one
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>One has to be really careful. Disable windoze auto update, antivirus
>auto update, etc.

There's a reason why my laptop only has a configuration for GPRS
connections when under Linux...

I used it in USA on Virgin Mobile. Worked like a charm and was probably
cheaper than the Wi-Fi hotspot or the approach-and-use terminals at the
airport.

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occassionally-confused@nospam.co.uk - 31 Oct 2006 10:45 GMT
>>I once blew away £150 in an hour, with Vodafone, in the USA. GPRS runs
>>2x faster over there than here...
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>cheaper than the Wi-Fi hotspot or the approach-and-use terminals at the
>airport.

I agree; GPRS is usually easier than wifi, whose availability is often
poor, or one has to pay for it in big chunks, etc.

I wonder why Windoze (and all other AV programs, etc) doesn't have a
config option to auto-update only when it has a broadband connection.

The O/S can easily tell, because GPRS/3G appears as a dial-up
connection. Wifi appears as a LAN connection.
hairydog@despammed.com - 01 Nov 2006 09:46 GMT
>Disable windoze auto update, antivirus
>auto update, etc.

I was careful. All those were off. It was data I needed to shift
around.

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