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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / October 2003Conferencing Calling on Orange ANY Talk Plan
How does Orange charge for each call I make to set up a conference? I have known that Orange charged at the standard Service Plan rates for each call but does Orange deduct the inclusive minutes first then I get charged? Thanks Gary > How does Orange charge for each call I make to set up a conference? > I have known that Orange charged at the standard Service Plan rates > for each call but does Orange deduct the inclusive minutes first then > I get charged? A couple of years ago that was true. I don't know if Your Scam does something different though. Dan reckoned that: > > How does Orange charge for each call I make to set up a conference? > > I have known that Orange charged at the standard Service Plan rates > > for each call but does Orange deduct the inclusive minutes first then > > I get charged? Inclusive minutes, then standard rate.  Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Sagem remote unlocking - £13 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email > Dan reckoned that: > > > How does Orange charge for each call I make to set up a conference? [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Inclusive minutes, then standard rate. So let me get this straight; assuming I originate both calls, the first is covered by inclusive minutes, the second is charged at standard rate, is that right..? What if one of the calls is incoming..? (Or both..? Is there anything to stop me linking two calls received with either call waiting or line 1/2..?) Ivor Ivor Jones reckoned that: > So let me get this straight; assuming I originate both calls, the first is > covered by inclusive minutes, the second is charged at standard rate, is > that right..? No. All calls initiated by you will come from inclusive minutes, and if you run out then standard rate. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Sagem remote unlocking - £13 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email But I believe it rates them in sequence rather than in parallel. The first call may use up all inclusive minutes and the second call the fist half may be inclusive and the second half standard rated (or any combination like that). Just make sure you make the most expensive call first. Codger > Ivor Jones reckoned that: > > So let me get this straight; assuming I originate both calls, the first is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No. All calls initiated by you will come from inclusive minutes, and if you > run out then standard rate. Old Codger reckoned that: > But I believe it rates them in sequence rather than in parallel. Err, no. > The first call may use up all inclusive minutes and the second call the fist > half may be inclusive and the second half standard rated (or any combination > like that). Not quite. Quite simply if you make more than one call at once your inclusinve minutes are used up at a rate of number of outgoing calls in progress x 1 minute. IE 5 outgoing calls in progress for 1 minute would drain 5 inclusive minutes. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Sagem remote unlocking - £13 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email Webmaster, Can you tell me how a billing system which process call records one at a time has the information (from a mobile switch which can only flag the call record type as being a conference call) can telling it (the billing) that the are 4 other records it needs to find (in amongst some 50+ million call records it is processing) in order decrement the inclusive minutes as you suggest. I don't think so...... Codger > Old Codger reckoned that: > > But I believe it rates them in sequence rather than in parallel. [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > IE 5 outgoing calls in progress for 1 minute would drain 5 inclusive > minutes. Old Codger reckoned that: > Can you tell me how a billing system which process call records one at a > time has the information (from a mobile switch > which can only flag the call record type as being a conference call) can > telling it (the billing) that the are 4 other records it > needs to find (in amongst some 50+ million call records it is processing) in > order decrement the inclusive minutes as you suggest. Well I guess that it's done simply by looking at the start time and end time of calls. Wherever there is an overlap between 1 call finishing and another call starting this identifies a possible conference call or call waiting situation. In either instances inclusive minutes would be used up after the event. Billing does not take place in real-time for post-pay users as it does with PAYG, hence this is the reason that conference calling is not available for PAYG users. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Now unlocking Siemens x5x (SL55, S55, A55 etc) - £10 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email > Old Codger reckoned that: > > Can you tell me how a billing system which process call records one at a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > PAYG, hence this is the reason that conference calling is not available for > PAYG users. Ah, that makes sense, I'd wondered about that. This is presumably the reason that the inclusive minutes service doesn't update immediately in the same way that the balance enquiry on PAYG does..? However this begs the question why not..? I along with many others I suspect would find an immediate update on my inclusive minutes very useful. You didn't answer my question about incoming calls on conference though, can this be done..? Ivor > > Old Codger reckoned that: > > > Can you tell me how a billing system which process call records one at [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > You didn't answer my question about incoming calls on conference though, > can this be done..? Ignore the last paragraph, I've just seen a reply below ;-) Ivor Ivor Jones reckoned that: > Ah, that makes sense, I'd wondered about that. This is presumably the > reason that the inclusive minutes service doesn't update immediately in > the same way that the balance enquiry on PAYG does..? Almost certainly. > However this begs > the question why not..? Lack of raw computer power maybe? When the network is quiet in the small hours of the morning is when all the contract users call data is polled from teh various switching centres, and run through the billing systems, turning minutes and seconds into punds and pence. There is no need to do it in real time like there is with PAYG, hence it is performed during quiet times. > You didn't answer my question about incoming calls on conference though, > can this be done..? An incoming call can be joined to a conference, yes. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Now unlocking Siemens x5x (SL55, S55, A55 etc) - £10 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email You don't really know the telecom business do you webmaster. work it out 50,000,000 call records per day divided by the number of seconds in the day 86400 that is 578 records per second. In that time for each record you need to identify the customer pull up his tariff look at the time, place and who they called determine the rate or rates that apply depending if it is off-peak or peak work out if there are any inclusive minutes work out how much of the call falls into each time band decrement the balance and write the information to disk having done all this for each one you then what to analysis the start and end times of all 50,000,000 records and determine if any overlap so you can rate them differently. It works by each call record being priced individually. Codger (billmaster) > Old Codger reckoned that: > > Can you tell me how a billing system which process call records one at a [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > PAYG, hence this is the reason that conference calling is not available for > PAYG users. Old Codger reckoned that: > You don't really know the telecom business do you webmaster. I have more knowledge than most of the general public > work it out 50,000,000 call records per day divided by the number of seconds > in the day 86400 [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > work out how much of the call falls into each time band > decrement the balance and write the information to disk But it doesn't need to be done instantly, does it. The call data can be run through teh billing system at anytime, it doesn't get done there and then. > having done all this for each one you then what to analysis the start and > end times of all 50,000,000 records > and determine if any overlap so you can rate them differently. > It works by each call record being priced individually. Which all takes place some point after the call(s) have completed, not during. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Now unlocking Siemens x5x (SL55, S55, A55 etc) - £10 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email It does not matter how long after the event you rate them you still have to process 578 records per second. Even if you do it a week later it will still take the same amount of time. They normally get processed the same day on the basis if you don't process then ASAP you will not get them processed before the bill is due. > Old Codger reckoned that: > > You don't really know the telecom business do you webmaster. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Which all takes place some point after the call(s) have completed, not > during. Old Codger reckoned that: > It does not matter how long after the event you rate them you still have to > process 578 records per second. > Even if you do it a week later it will still take the same amount of time. Quite, but it can be done during queit times when the load on the networks IT systems are at their lowest. Could you bottom-post and trim please. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk Motorola remote unlocking - £10 (includes A920 on '3') Now unlocking Siemens x5x (SL55, S55, A55 etc) - £10 Change 'spam' to 'jon' to email > Ivor Jones reckoned that: > > So let me get this straight; assuming I originate both calls, the first is [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > No. All calls initiated by you will come from inclusive minutes, and if you > run out then standard rate. That's what I expected on Orange since I also have made conference calls on O2 with CPW last month. Have you received your Orange bill and then therefore confirmed the conference charge? Thanks Gary > > Ivor Jones reckoned that: > > > So let me get this straight; assuming I originate both calls, the first is [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Have you received your Orange bill and then therefore confirmed the > conference charge? Not personally, I haven't had occasion to use it since I had it enabled a couple of weeks ago, I just like knowing it's there if I do need it (well, it's one of the few things that are still rental free..!) No-one has commented on incoming calls, can I link two incoming calls received either on the same line with call waiting, or on lines 1 & 2..? Or one incoming and one outgoing call, on the same or either line..? Ivor >No-one has commented on incoming calls, can I link two incoming calls >received either on the same line with call waiting, or on lines 1 & 2..? >Or one incoming and one outgoing call, on the same or either line..? > >Ivor yes you can to all of the above. ---------------------------------------------------- reverse my email address, and remove the obvious spam traps to reach me by email. http://www.callthrough.tk/ = site not updated. |
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