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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / December 2006K800i v D900
Am really in a quandry which of these to choose from - can anyone offer an opinion as to better handset? Thank you > Am really in a quandry which of these to choose from - can anyone offer an > opinion as to better handset? > > Thank you I know a few people with the D900, seems pretty sh.t if you ask me. I don't like the interface, but hey, it's a samsung. It doesn't seem to like certain firmwares either, with the backlight lighting up every minute when the time increments by 1 minute. The k800 is retty good, i'd go for it anyday over the D900. If you had said k800 vs <something-else>, i'd give some pointers, but really, the D900 isn't all that great. >> Am really in a quandry which of these to choose from - can anyone offer >> an opinion as to better handset? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > said k800 vs <something-else>, i'd give some pointers, but really, the > D900 isn't all that great. Seems to be the general opinion. How about the k800i v N73 David? notknown@nowhere.com declared for all the world to hear... > Seems to be the general opinion. How about the k800i v N73 David? The N73 has temporarily dropped by Orange due to high return rates. Make of that what you will.  SignatureRegards Jon >notknown@nowhere.com declared for all the world to hear... >> Seems to be the general opinion. How about the k800i v N73 David? > >The N73 has temporarily dropped by Orange due to high return rates. Make >of that what you will. Orange should stop rebranding the firmware and allow people to download the Nokia generic firmware. Early bugs in firmware fixed. Problem solved. SignatureThx PajaP pajap2@news-only.invalid declared for all the world to hear... > >The N73 has temporarily dropped by Orange due to high return rates. Make > >of that what you will. > Orange should stop rebranding the firmware Orange don't. Nokia do. Orange just tell Nokia what they want. Other handsets don't suffer with branding. The generic N91 was also dropped due to return rate exceeding 70%. > and allow people to > download the Nokia generic firmware. > Early bugs in firmware fixed. Problem solved. Problem still manufactured by Nokia in the first place! SignatureRegards Jon >pajap2@news-only.invalid declared for all the world to hear... >> >The N73 has temporarily dropped by Orange due to high return rates. Make [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >handsets don't suffer with branding. The generic N91 was also dropped >due to return rate exceeding 70%. Say it however you like. Orange are responsible for the rebranding. We all know that Nokia write the firmware. To Orange's specifications. They ask for crap to be added and features to be taken away. Therefore, in most normal peoples eyes, Orange rebrand the firmware. Nothing wrong with my debranded (from Vodafone) and up-to-date firmware (on my N91). Best phone I have ever owned. Stable and does _all_ it is meant to and does it all very well. Maybe the technology is a bit advanced for your average Orange customer. Or maybe Orange support staff are crap at talking their customers through their configuration problems. I expect they have waited so long in the queue they have decided to return the phone before the first word, to a real person, is spoken. 6680 on Orange with 'their' rebranded firmware was shite. Impossible to turn off the Home Screen. Generic Nokia's could turn off the Home Screen. So can mine now I have debranded it. At least Orange admitted that mistake on this one and no longer prevent the Home Screen from being turned off (in 'their' rebranded phones). >> and allow people to >> download the Nokia generic firmware. >> Early bugs in firmware fixed. Problem solved. > >Problem still manufactured by Nokia in the first place! Nothing wrong with Nokia phones. Just because you don't like them does not make you right. I go with the majority. Nokia have the biggest market share in worldwide mobile phone sales by a huge margin. I think if there was a "problem" with Nokia phones their sales figures might just have taken a least a small hit, rather than gaining a greater marker share. SignaturePajaP pajap2@news-only.invalid declared for all the world to hear... > Nothing wrong with Nokia phones. Apart from their instability, which seems to be prevalent on every new symbian-based model. > Just because you don't like them does not make you right. I don't dislike them because of what they are. I dislike them because they frequently go wrong. I'm allowed to have an opinion, am I not? > I go with the majority. To each his own, and I wish you well. > Nokia have the biggest market share in worldwide mobile phone sales by > a huge margin. Which breeds arrogance in my experience. Certainly has with Nokia over the last few years. It's not that huge anyway. > I think if there was a "problem" with Nokia phones > their sales figures might just have taken a least a small hit, rather > than gaining a greater marker share. Problem handsets will never touch the sides of their sales figures, because of people, like yourself, who are blindly loyal to them. SignatureRegards Jon >pajap2@news-only.invalid declared for all the world to hear... >> Nokia have the biggest market share in worldwide mobile phone sales by >> a huge margin. > >Which breeds arrogance in my experience. Certainly has with Nokia over >the last few years. It's not that huge anyway. No, it allows them to get it right. All new phones, from _all_ manufacturers will have bugs as more and more new features are added. If people wish to avoid bugs they will have to wait until the firmware is stable, or buy phones with less features. Not that huge? You obviously did not do your research. 35.1% market share in 2006. Nearly 5 times the sales of Sony Ericsson (7.7%). Their closest competitor, Motorola has only 20.6% market share. LOL, not that huge! Try taking a look at the recent Gartner study. >> I think if there was a "problem" with Nokia phones >> their sales figures might just have taken a least a small hit, rather >> than gaining a greater marker share. > >Problem handsets will never touch the sides of their sales figures, >because of people, like yourself, who are blindly loyal to them. No, not blindingly loyal. If you knew me you would know once I get real pissed with a company they never get my business again. I am the usually first to complain, when there is due cause and do so with venom. Nokia have never got me pissed with their phones. SignaturePajaP >pajap2@news-only.invalid declared for all the world to hear... >> >The N73 has temporarily dropped by Orange due to high return rates. Make [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >The generic N91 was also dropped >due to return rate exceeding 70%. For that statistic to mean anything we would need to know how many of the people using these 'advanced' phones were not dumbasses. Would also be helpful to know the IQ of and total amount of English words known by the Orange Customer Service reps. I expect the answer to all three would be approx '10'. SignaturePajaP Hi have been a o2 customer since forever and o2 impress me since they dont really brand thier phones, you only get o2 menu links, the o2 even sorted a problem on my phone with generic software (w800i) Anyway i had as my upgrade the N73, i liked the phone, i liked the screen but i found the camera to be of poor quality, the phone kept crashing and reseting, the camera took around 10 seconds to take a photo. I have now the K800i (bond version) and it is a brilliant phone, it has a brilliant camera and se seem to have fixed the joy stick! My sister has the D900 and she hates it. > notknown@nowhere.com declared for all the world to hear... >> Seems to be the general opinion. How about the k800i v N73 David? > > The N73 has temporarily dropped by Orange due to high return rates. Make > of that what you will. Jon You seem really knowledgeable - in the absence of the n73 what would you recommend as possible alternative the the k800i? I've got a N73 on 3 which was using up memory for no apparent reason and would freeze every so often, ended up having to turn off & on. Decided to rebrand as a generic N73 (Using NSS) and what a difference it makes. Phone runs faster and doesn't have the memory eating problem. Only prob I have is I've got too many things running (MSN Messenger, MobileMail, YahooGO, Skype, F-Secure, OperaMini & Music running at the moment) and the odd time it gets its knickers in a twist. Nokia do recommend you turn your phone off & on every so often, so they must know theres a problem. The Sis-In-Law has a Vodafone branded N73 and she's on to her 3rd one now. Phone hangs up all the time even when she's got nothing running and the built-in Image & Video app doesn't open are just a few of the probs she's had. She's going to let me rebrand it at the weekend, so I'll let you know if it improves it any. SignatureGerry (The MOTH) >> notknown@nowhere.com declared for all the world to hear... >>> Seems to be the general opinion. How about the k800i v N73 David? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You seem really knowledgeable - in the absence of the n73 what would you > recommend as possible alternative the the k800i? notknown@nowhere.com declared for all the world to hear... > You seem really knowledgeable - in the absence of the n73 what would you > recommend as possible alternative the the k800i? The K800i is an extremely capable and feature-rich handset. What features do you require? I would avoid symbian nokias at all costs. SignatureRegards Jon > The K800i is an extremely capable and feature-rich handset. What > features do you require? I would avoid symbian nokias at all costs. As a Nokia fan, I really couldn't decide on my next phone. I was *very* tempted by the k800i..... Nokia has it's problems, but so does the k800i.... Just Google "Faulty k800i joystick" or "Keys peeling on my K800i" Most of Nokia's problems are due to firmware bugs, that can be sorted with new firmware. I've researched a hell of a lot on the K800i, and *loads* of complaints with the keys peeling (even after one month!!!) and failing joysticks, which they still haven't sorted after problems with the K750. All manufactures have their faults, and after 10 years of owning nothing but Nokias, this year I researched everywhere, and will be choosing Nokia again. I'm going for a GENERIC N80...... I think Orange branding has to be the WORST. I know Nokia write the firmware, but O put so much needless / spam, it just cripples the phone. Everyone I talk to, hates branded phones. I debranded my 6680 last month, and it's so much nicer to use. Orange need to keep their nose out of crippling phones with their sh.t (then discontinuing them). no_sp@m.net declared for all the world to hear... > > The K800i is an extremely capable and feature-rich handset. What > > features do you require? I would avoid symbian nokias at all costs. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Nokia has it's problems, but so does the k800i.... Just Google "Faulty k800i > joystick" or "Keys peeling on my K800i" You could repeat that exercise for any phone. For that sort of statistic to mean anything you would have to also know the number of phones that didn't malfunction! > new firmware. I've researched a hell of a lot on the K800i, and *loads* of > complaints with the keys peeling (even after one month!!!) and failing > joysticks, which they still haven't sorted after problems with the K750. The joystick is fine on mine. As are the keys. Then again I've spent a massive £9.99 on a protective case. > All manufactures have their faults, and after 10 years of owning nothing but > Nokias, this year I researched everywhere, and will be choosing Nokia again. > I'm going for a GENERIC N80...... Good luck. Familiarise yourself with the location Nokia online firmware updater just in case. > I think Orange branding has to be the WORST. I know Nokia write the > firmware, but O put so much needless / spam, it just cripples the phone. There is hardly any branding on the K800. Or the N80 for that matter - I've had both. > Everyone I talk to, hates branded phones. In my 5 years with Orange, I've probably had about 20 people ask if phones are branded or not. I see 300 customers per day. > Orange need to keep their nose out of > crippling phones with their sh.t (then discontinuing them). Orange are a business, engaged in the business of making money. One of the ways they do that is by making it easy for people to use services that generate additional revenue, I.e. the internet. Branding will always be around and it has got less and less "intrusive" over the last 12-18 months. SignatureRegards Jon |
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