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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / January 20073g is dead, long live 2.5g
It's official, 3g is dead. The network operators have all given up on 3g and are now basing their business models around delivering telephone calls. It is true, just look at their website adverts on the way up to Christmas. They are trying to convert users to their networks on the basis of phone call packages, and there is very little to differentiate one from another. If you are thinking of buying a 3g phone this Christmas; DON'T. Most people will never use a 3g phone's true capability. It's a shame. I blame the network operators for 3g's death. As a Vodafone user, I am particularly frustrated by their business decision. Vodafone used to allow users to convert text messages into data transfer capacity. This allowed you to use WAP and look at external sites such as BBC mobile without worrying about being charged. Since September, Vodafone has dropped this conversion, and now if you move off their rubbish Vodafone Live site you are charged for it. This is NOT a step forward. All of the network operators are moaning about the cost of their 3g licences, and the fact they are not making any money. Well is it surprising if their business models are flawed ? If the operators ever decide to go back to 3g, then believe me, it will only work on a similar basis as the internet broadband model: Charge users a monthly fixed fee and allow them unlimited access to whatever they want. If there is a shortfall in revenue, start advertising and use the Google business model. Ok, please all stand, lower your heads, and let's have a minutes silence for 3g. It was a good idea, ...........ONCE.. > If the operators ever decide to go back to 3g, then believe me, it will only > work on a similar basis as the internet broadband model: Charge users a > monthly fixed fee Isn't this what 3 have announced with their 'X-Series' handsets/add-ons. >> If the operators ever decide to go back to 3g, then believe me, it will >> only >> work on a similar basis as the internet broadband model: Charge users a >> monthly fixed fee > > Isn't this what 3 have announced with their 'X-Series' handsets/add-ons. T mobile seem to have the idea right with 'web'n'walk............ Gaz > >> If the operators ever decide to go back to 3g, then believe me, it will > >> only [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Gaz indeed which is one of the reasons i've switched to them no point having a 3G phone if i get charged a arm and leg for what is very low bandwight. now i have web and talk i have been playing with lot of the fun stuff like google maps and Mgmaps email etc far more as it's effectvly free or rather i'm unlikely to go over the unlimited limit.... roger There is no possibility for killing of 3g with the amount of money they have spent on their licences. They'll figure out what people are willing to pay for it the crap, video calls are just laughable gimmicks no practicality at all. > It's official, 3g is dead. The network operators have all given up on 3g > and are now basing their business models around delivering telephone [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Ok, please all stand, lower your heads, and let's have a minutes silence > for 3g. It was a good idea, ...........ONCE.. Vodafone are still rolling out 3G across the country, along with HSDPA. They have just changed their priceplans. And data is included on extras packs that were added before September the 1st, 2006. After this date it is only included on the maximum pack (?40 p/m) Vodafone are still rolling out 3G across the country, along with HSDPA. They have just changed their priceplans. And data is included on extras packs that were added before September the 1st, 2006. After this date it is only included on the maximum pack (£40 p/m) This is NOT correct. Vodafone DO NOT give free data transfer on maximum packs (£40/m) They may give 6 months free TV, but this is not true data transfer and you start to pay for it after 6 months Current text packs on Vodafone Anytime priceplans are on the website as follows: http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true& _pageLabel=template10&pageID=PPP_0005 Working for Vodafone, if you do require a GPRS allocation in your text pack on an Anytime priceplan, Vodafone still offer the old £40.00 extras pack, which will include either 1000 texts or 51.1MB of data (no MMS will be included, as this has since been removed). If anybody needs clarification on this then please contact us by going to www.vodafone.co.uk, selecting 'contact us' then 'email', if you leave the short code FIT135 in the body of your email this will route through to somebody who'll be able to help. New internet and MMS packs are in the pipeline at present, although no official launch date has been announced. Incidently, text and data allocations are available if you take out a Small Business priceplan rather than an Anytime priceplan, more details are available on the Vodafone website at the following link: http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=phones.sbcextras&tari ffid=1388&contractLength=18 > Vodafone are still rolling out 3G across the country, along with HSDPA. > They have just changed their priceplans. And data is included on extras [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > packs (£40/m) They may give 6 months free TV, but this is not true data > transfer and you start to pay for it after 6 months Why do I get the feeling a Vodafone employee is trying to correct a statement I made earlier, with false statements: 1. £40/m text/ data contracts are NOT available to Joe Public. It would appear that Minerva is identifying a possible way of getting this through Customer Services that isn't out in the public domain. 2. Minerva states New internet packs and MMS are in the pipeline. We'll wait and see !!!!!! 3. Joe Public CANNOT sign up to a Small Business Contract with Vodafone. Current text packs on Vodafone Anytime priceplans are on the website as follows: http://online.vodafone.co.uk/dispatch/Portal/appmanager/vodafone/wrp?_nfpb=true& _pageLabel=template10&pageID=PPP_0005 Working for Vodafone, if you do require a GPRS allocation in your text pack on an Anytime priceplan, Vodafone still offer the old £40.00 extras pack, which will include either 1000 texts or 51.1MB of data (no MMS will be included, as this has since been removed). If anybody needs clarification on this then please contact us by going to www.vodafone.co.uk, selecting 'contact us' then 'email', if you leave the short code FIT135 in the body of your email this will route through to somebody who'll be able to help. New internet and MMS packs are in the pipeline at present, although no official launch date has been announced. Incidently, text and data allocations are available if you take out a Small Business priceplan rather than an Anytime priceplan, more details are available on the Vodafone website at the following link: http://www.vodafonebusinessshop.co.uk/index.cfm?fuseaction=phones.sbcextras&tari ffid=1388&contractLength=18 y-o-y-o-y wrote: > Vodafone are still rolling out 3G across the country, along with HSDPA. > They have just changed their priceplans. And data is included on extras [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > packs (£40/m) They may give 6 months free TV, but this is not true data > transfer and you start to pay for it after 6 months I'm signed up for a small business 100 contract with Vodafone with 40 mb of data and a Nokia 9300 on a £52 a month deal so it's certainly possible Vodafone confirmed the 50 mb with a £40 add on back in october when I discussed a second contract. Instead I went for 40 mb for £30 as part of a small business contract which works out better for me. It can be used as 600 texts on small business time but I use only data > Why do I get the feeling a Vodafone employee is trying to correct a > statement I made earlier, with false statements: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > packs (£40/m) They may give 6 months free TV, but this is not true data > > transfer and you start to pay for it after 6 months > Vodafone are still rolling out 3G across the country, along with HSDPA. > They have just changed their priceplans. And data is included on extras [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > packs (£40/m) They may give 6 months free TV, but this is not true data > transfer and you start to pay for it after 6 months If you are on the maximum text at a cost of £40 p/m, and it was added after the 1st September, you are able to use 51.06 mb (equal to a cost of £120). Bearing in mind text messages also come out of this bundle, that figure will depend on a persons other usage. If you are on a text bundle which was added prior to the 1st September, data will come out of it at the rate of £2.35 per mb > It's official, 3g is dead. Tell that to my datacards with T-mobile and Vodafone. > It's official, 3g is dead. The network operators have all given up on 3g and > are now basing their business models around delivering telephone calls. ... > Most people will > never use a 3g phone's true capability. It's a shame. > > I blame the network operators for 3g's death. I blame the impossibly small screens and pathetic user interface. Let's face it. Laptops are promoted on the size of their screen (amongst other attributes) and BIG IS GOOD. C.f. phones, the marketing people seem only to have a single tune they can whistle: make them smaller. Yes, yes. I know about Blackberry phones etc. but between them they aren't going to repay the 22B or so that the phone companies spent on 3G licenses. Plus they're a pale reflection of even the most basic lappy. On reflection: the 3G license fees went to the govt. who in turn offset this income against tax, so us grown-ups got to keep more of our money. To recoup the 3G license fees, the phone companies increase call charges, which are voluntary (a tax on talking?) so I'm quite happy with that! Pete  Signature.......................................................................... . never trust a man who, when left alone ...... Pete Lynch . . in a room with a tea cosy ...... Marlow, England . . doesn't try it on (Billy Connolly) ..................................... >It's official, 3g is dead. The network operators have all given up on 3g and >are now basing their business models around delivering telephone calls. It [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >Ok, please all stand, lower your heads, and let's have a minutes silence for >3g. It was a good idea, ...........ONCE.. Once the phone companies wise up to the fact that they charge way too much for their data services (T-Mobile already have, to be fair, and 3 are on the way) you will see a marked increase in the amount of data usage. Once people are used to having MSN on their phone, this will drive 3G phone sales and so the cycle will continue. Once people start to see phones with built in GPS devices that can hook up to Google Maps to stream realtime satellite mapping imagery of your current location; tracking of a friend's location using the same method; streaming live and pre-recorded TV to your phone from home; set the video from wherever you are; datebooks that link to your online calendar so friends and family can see where you'll be when you put a note in the diary on your phone; VOIP and VidOIP services becomes more prevalent; the move from SMS to MSN; streaming radio from the net or from your own music collection stored on a device in your home: once these things become ubiquitous, what we currently call '3G' usage will rocket. 3G is just a method of data delivery, nothing more. To say that 3G will not survive is to suggest that people will no longer be interested in connecting to the net. This change in charging will happen next year. It has to, or Voda and Orange will start to lose market share. I know 3 people who've left Orange this month to join T-Mo for exactly this reason. Lee. Signaturelee at w2designs dot co dot uk If I have one flaw, it's that I'm a perfectoinist. >> Ok, please all stand, lower your heads, and let's have a minutes silence for >> 3g. It was a good idea, ...........ONCE.. > Once the phone companies wise up to the fact that they charge way too > much for their data services (T-Mobile already have, to be fair, and 3 > are on the way) you will see a marked increase in the amount of data And why do the charge way too much, because they bid a stupid amount of money to the goverment to run the service in the first place. SignatureChris Johns i think 3g enabled phones will come into there own in about 5 years time when the price of a video call is about the same as a voice call today then it willtake off big time --- > It's official, 3g is dead. The network operators have all given up on 3g > and are now basing their business models around delivering telephone [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Ok, please all stand, lower your heads, and let's have a minutes silence > for 3g. It was a good idea, ...........ONCE.. > It's official, 3g is dead. The network operators have all given up on 3g and > are now basing their business models around delivering telephone calls. It [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Ok, please all stand, lower your heads, and let's have a minutes silence for > 3g. It was a good idea, ...........ONCE.. I'm on vodafone and don't have any 'extras' packs. I have 250 free txts per month, but very rarely text. Instead I browse the web - often outside Vodafone live and my account shows no charges, but my free txts are used up (well nearly alwasy) every month. I assume from this that my free txts are converted to data Clive That's right. The 250 text is equal to around 12mbs. |
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