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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / April 2007O2 to start excluding non-geographical numbers 08xx etc from inclusive minutes.
O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing tariffs. * 0500, 0505, 055, 056, 080, 082, 0844, 0845 and 0870 numbers. Excludes 09 and 0871 numbers. 0871 calls are 35p per/min at all times. Please bear in mind the changes to 0870 in early 2008, and new number ranges 0843 and 0872 being added. See Ofcom website for details. -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. > > This will only apply to those who connect or switch to their new price > plans due in May 2007 called Quarter 2, but should not affect existing > tariffs. Will this affect the PUFFL Leisure 200 tariff? /john > > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from > > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Will this affect the PUFFL Leisure 200 tariff? >From what o2 say it shouldn't, as you're an existing customer on an old/current plan, I've been told it only applies to those who connect as a new customer from 1/5/07 or move/change onto these new tariffs due in May. Also see: http://forum.niftylist.co.uk/index.php?topic=2599.msg10798;topicseen#new http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=425916 -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ > > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from > > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Will this affect the PUFFL Leisure 200 tariff? >From what o2 say it shouldn't, as you're an existing customer on an old/current plan, I've been told it only applies to those who connect as a new customer from 1/5/07 or move/change onto these new tariffs due in May. Also see: http://forum.niftylist.co.uk/index.php?topic=2599.msg10798;topicseen#new http://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/showthread.html?t=425916 -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ I understand that the only exception to the OP will be calls to 08xx that are used by o2 and THA numbers. -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ranges 0843 and 0872 being added. > See Ofcom website for details. Sorry that list should have included the new 06 number range due in the near future, though if these number were inclusive on older plans, and you know about and/or how personal numbers work, older tariffs are going to become even more sort after! Maybe another idea for pre-dial at some point ;) It could be some of the reason why o2 are now starting to get people off these tariffs, I don't know. I have also found out that since January if you upgrade through CPW, they can no longer keep you or me in this case on an old online tariff, I had to either change price plan to upgrade or go to o2 direct. No way am I changing tariff! So upgraded with o2 directly :) -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ >O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from >inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >ranges 0843 and 0872 being added. >See Ofcom website for details. So I guess anyone wanting to change tariff or get a better retention deal when upgrading will be screwed if inclusive 08xx is important to them then (like me)? Shame really since it's the one thing that differentiates o2 from the rest of the networks and my only reason next to coverage for being with them. Sam. sam@toomuch.spam declared for all the world to hear... > >O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from > >inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > rest of the networks and my only reason next to coverage for being > with them. It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took them as long as it has to make this change.  SignatureRegards Jon <Snip> >It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took >them as long as it has to make this change. Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the next couple of quarters. Personally I've no where else to go now, or should that be want to go? ;-) I swore I'd never go back to Orange, T-Mobile's coverage here is dire, Voda's isn't much better, and have no interest in Three regardless of how tempting their deals maybe. Sam. ><Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Sam. I am looking round for a new contract and Three's look very tempting what makes you say what you have said about them ? . <Snip> >I am looking round for a new contract and Three's look very tempting >what makes you say what you have said about them ? . Language barrier between myself and their India based customer service. Crippled/customised handset firmware. Unable to use my own unlocked/unbranded 3g/UTMS handset on their network without them threatening to suspend my service. No voicemail spool support. No Three 3g/UTMS coverage where I am so would depend on 2.5g roaming onto Orange. Plus a few other things I can't think of right now. Sam. > <Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Plus a few other things I can't think of right now. Yes, but other than those few things was everything else ok ;) sam@toomuch.spam declared for all the world to hear... > <Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Well I for one can't wait to see their contract churn rates for the > next couple of quarters. It's wont affect them significantly. People are not going to be leaving in droves because of this for 2 reasons: 1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile 2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle. > I swore I'd never go back to Orange, T-Mobile's coverage here is dire, > Voda's isn't much better, and have no interest in Three regardless of > how tempting their deals maybe. O2 it is for you then! SignatureRegards Jon >sam@toomuch.spam declared for all the world to hear... >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile >2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle. I do use 08s on a regular basis from O2. I specifically joined O2 for this very reason. If it is no longer offered then the attraction of O2 diminishes - it is one less string to their bow. Fortunately I have a PUFFL as well so that, according to an earlier post, should not change. I also have ED50. Remove 'no_spam_' from email address. You could change you 08xx numbers by visiting www.saynoto0870.co.uk there are many geographical numbers there. And guess what you can use them as part of your inclusive talk time ! Hope this helps ! Regards, Kev >>sam@toomuch.spam declared for all the world to hear... >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Remove 'no_spam_' from email address. >You could change you 08xx numbers by visiting www.saynoto0870.co.uk there >are many geographical numbers there. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Kev Some 08 numbers are to services that are financed by the money they collect from the call. Such numbers may be callthroughs, chat lines, information services. These are services that people can choose to call and are the type of services that, unfortunately, will have to use different types of numbers that will be charged for, accordingly, by the mobile operators. In other words the changes to be made to 0870 numbers etc. will be at a great detriment to those of us who use them to access these services. I have made this point before, the 0870 services that people do like, such as callthroughs and chat lines etc., will suffer because of these changes, where the main aim was to eliminate charging to services that people don't like to pay for, such as customer services etc. This is not a win win situation. Many people who frequent this group use callthroughs etc. and will be worse off because of the envisaged changes to 0870. Further, the services themselves will likely suffer a revenue loss because those people who could call these numbers cheaply (inlcusive minuites for example) will no longer use the service. My view: Changes to 0870 a good thing overall ? NO! Remove 'no_spam_' from email address. >sam@toomuch.spam declared for all the world to hear... >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >1. Hardly anyone uses 08xx from their mobile That maybe true of normal people, however in my little circle of around 20 or so people, we all use them to some degree, mostly using dialthroughs and dealing with businesses. We are all on o2, most of us having moved from ringfenced Orange tariffs. >2. There is now no alternative if you want 08xx included in your bundle. Indeed. >> I swore I'd never go back to Orange, T-Mobile's coverage here is dire, >> Voda's isn't much better, and have no interest in Three regardless of >> how tempting their deals maybe. > >O2 it is for you then! Looks that way, about to be ringfenced again. :-( Sam. > sam@toomuch.spam declared for all the world to hear... > > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > It was only a matter of time before this happened. I'm surprised it took > them as long as it has to make this change. I've been given the official reasons for the change, and it's the obvious one, that third party suppliers have been exploding these numbers as free, many used for international calls from these numbers dial-though etc, and to bring in line with other networks. I have checked with many sources, and I'm now almost certain that this is change going to take place as in my OP. (same seems to apply to business) -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ > O2 are to start excluding calls to non-geographical numbers* from > inclusive minutes on pay monthly plans from the 1st May 2007. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > ranges 0843 and 0872 being added. > See Ofcom website for details. Now confirmed on the O2 website as 27 April 2007. All 08xx calls will cost 20p/min, expect for 0871 which stays at 35p/ min. The 20p/min rate applies on all Pay Monthly plans where customers have connected or upgraded from 27 April 2007 onwards, and calls to these numbers are not included in bundle minutes for these plans. Customers who have connected or upgraded to a Pay Monthly plan before April 27 will be charged as for standard UK landlines (01 & 02 numbers). http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/specialnumbers -- Dan Support for u.genie.co.uk email & dial-up, visit http://www.u.genie.btinternet.co.uk/ > Now confirmed on the O2 website as 27 April 2007. > All 08xx calls will cost 20p/min, expect for 0871 which stays at 35p/ [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > http://www.o2.co.uk/mobilestariffs/tariffs/specialnumbers 20p a minute to call an 0800 number is outrageous. </stating the obvious> Ooh, it makes me mad... TMK (aka Mungo) > 20p a minute to call an 0800 number is outrageous. For any teleco to charge anything for calling an 0800 number is disgusting. By renting an 0800 number, the called party is indicating that they wish to pay for incoming calls and for them to be free of charge to the caller. So if it costs more to receive a call from a mobile, or a payphone or for calls connected via the operator then the called party should be charged extra (and probably given the option of whether or not to accept calls from these sources) for such calls and the caller charged nothing. >> 20p a minute to call an 0800 number is outrageous. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > whether or not to accept calls from these sources) for such calls and > the caller charged nothing. There was some fuss a few years ago, where Orange (I think) tried to persuade Ofcom as it then was, to introduce some kind of "payphone levy". I seem to remembet the idea was that the recipient of an 0800 call paid a slightly higher per-minute rate for calls originated from payphones - and presumably mobiles - because of the higher costs of running the network. It never really happened.. Cheers Jon. SignatureJon Pitts Email: jon@pitts50.co.uk Attachments: files@pitts50.co.uk simplyfone.com have 2 alternatives on their website for users who cannot use 08xxxx any more in their incl package.. & who wanna make cheap International calls..... www.simplytext2talk.com & www.cheapestchat.com - both of whioch use 020 8... numbers which are included as 'free' calls n.h. |
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