Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / March 2008
Mobile calls from Cross Channel Ferry
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Gethryn - 07 Mar 2008 18:02 GMT Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from Portsmouth to Caen, and noticed, that even when out of sight of land, and the usual suspects (Vodafone etc) had dropped out, there was still a full stength signal all the way to France.
I cannot remember which network it showed up (it was not one of the French networks) but I suspect it was a satellite link to the ship with a repaeter GSM installation on board the ship.
This raises the question, if I had received a call, would I have had to pay roaming charges? Also, if I had made a call, would it have been part of my inclusive 02 call package, hence free?
Applying the usual caveat "There is no such thing as a free lunch" I suspect it would have been quite expensive to use, but being a tight fisted type, I switched the phone off and avoided the temptation to try!
Russell Hafter News - 07 Mar 2008 19:15 GMT > Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from > Portsmouth to Caen, and noticed, that even when out of > sight of land, and the usual suspects (Vodafone etc) had > dropped out, there was still a full stength signal all > the way to France.
> I cannot remember which network it showed up (it was not > one of the French networks) but I suspect it was a > satellite link to the ship with a repaeter GSM > installation on board the ship. If you had been going to St. Malo I would have suggested the Jersey and Guernsey networks, but not en route to Caen.
I have picked up French networks in Dover and UK networks in the Pas de Calais and even on the northern Britanny coast.
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Ian - 07 Mar 2008 20:59 GMT On 7 Mar, 19:15, Russell Hafter News <see....@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> I have picked up French networks in Dover and UK networks in > the Pas de Calais and even on the northern Britanny coast. In the days of Cellnet my phone used to show "Manx Telecom" along some of southern Galloway.
Ian
Russell Hafter News - 07 Mar 2008 22:03 GMT In article <3bc4a651-820d-491b-9051-7b9a6cae4059@n58g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> On 7 Mar, 19:15, Russell Hafter News > <see....@walkingingermany.invalid> wrote:
> > I have picked up French networks in Dover and UK > > networks in the Pas de Calais and even on the northern > > Britanny coast.
> In the days of Cellnet my phone used to show "Manx > Telecom" along some of southern Galloway. Here too on the west Cumbrian coast signals from the IoM were often stronger than any of the UK networks in the early days.
Coverage here is better these days, so it is unusual to find yourself roaming on the IoM, but you can often connect to Manx telecom if you want to.
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Gethryn - 07 Mar 2008 21:58 GMT >> Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from >> Portsmouth to Caen, and noticed, that even when out of [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I have picked up French networks in Dover and UK networks in > the Pas de Calais and even on the northern Britanny coast. Nope, I said in my original posting that it was a full strength signal and definitely not one of the French or British GSM operators, who were not at all present in the ship. The signal was full strength even on the cars decks - ie the signal was radiating from somewhere on the ship; in effect it was an MVNO - i.e a Mobile Virtual Network Operator, presumably taking a satellite feed from the UK GSM network, just as Virgin or BT does, both these piggy-back on one of the main land based GSM operators network. Its a pity I did not make a note of the network name to see if it is registered as a UK licenced Communications Service Provider, if not it would be an offence for the ferry company to have it switched on in UK territorial waters. Perhaps they switch it on once the ship is outside of the UK territorial waters, which is about where the UK land based GSM signals drop out.
Alternatively it could be taking a GSM feed over the satellite system from another country, e.g the country the ship is registered in, or where-ever in which case, it might be very expensive to use. The Regulatory issue here is that by September 2007 the EU mandated mobile call rates were in force so the call rates should definitely not have exceeded the EU mandated maximum (currently 35p send, 18p recive on O2)
I made a few enquiries but none of the crew I spoke to seemed to know anything about it - perhaps it was being tested. There is certainly no mention of it as an on-board facility on the Brittany Ferries web site.
mrcamp - 07 Mar 2008 22:54 GMT Most of the ships have their own tower on board now. So, it's probabl the ship's tower you were seeing. On my cruises to the caribbean o Royal Caribbean my phone either showed "Cellular at Sea" (AT&T phone) or the network code such as "901-18"
Russell Hafter News;746628 Wrote:
> - > Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > I have picked up French networks in Dover and UK networks in > the Pas de Calais and even on the northern Britanny coast. -- mrcamp
Steve Terry - 07 Mar 2008 22:14 GMT > Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from Portsmouth to Caen, and > noticed, that even when out of sight of land, and the usual suspects [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I > switched the phone off and avoided the temptation to try! http://www.ship-technology.com/contractors/navigation/navitas-telecom/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/06/08/oceangoing_gsm/ http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/01/26/pvt_satellite_gsm/
Steve Terry
Gethryn - 07 Mar 2008 22:59 GMT >> Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from Portsmouth to Caen, and >> noticed, that even when out of sight of land, and the usual suspects [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > > Steve Terry Thanks Steve, that explains it! Calls made on a Channel Islands network are not part of one's calling package even though the islands are part of the UK Numbering Plan, so any call made or received on that ship would have been added to my O2 bill. I suspect the roaming charges may even be higher than the EU permitted levels but how this can be justified when the ship is in territorial waters of the UK or France would take some explaining!
The earlier post refrred to the problems of paying roming charges to Manx Telecom while on the Mull of Galloway, I had just this experience 2 years ago when a client called me and 30 minutes later, I had a knocked up big roaming charge. mIf it hadnt been a client, I would have kept the phone call VERY short!
Neil - 08 Mar 2008 02:22 GMT >>> Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from Portsmouth to Caen, and >>> noticed, that even when out of sight of land, and the usual suspects [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > roaming charge. mIf it hadnt been a client, I would have kept the phone > call VERY short! I wasn't aware of ships having on-board GSM systems either but a quick look at: http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_xwmc.shtml seems to confirm they do. Interesting that there's only one operator in this business too, they must make a killing in roamed calls!
Jules - 09 Mar 2008 18:57 GMT >at: >http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/net_xwmc.shtml seems to confirm they >do. Interesting that there's only one operator in this business too, they >must make a killing in roamed calls! I asked last summer on a trip to holland and it was 6.5 uk pounds per minute send or receive.
Switched phone off...
Jules
Neil - 10 Mar 2008 00:47 GMT > I asked last summer on a trip to holland and it was 6.5 uk pounds per > minute send or receive. > > Switched phone off... > > Jules Which home network was charging you that? I can't see that listed on the roaming drop-down charges for my network??
andy - 10 Mar 2008 03:53 GMT > "Gethryn" <Geth...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > Thanks Steve, that explains it! Calls made on a Channel Islands network > > are not part of one's calling package even though the islands are part of [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - Show quoted text - There are several operators, either owned by or with arrangements with AT&T Cingular, Jersey Telecom, Manx Telecom, Telenor, Siminn (Iceland) and probably others.
In addition Monaco Telecom and Telenor and perhaps others have deals for roaming in airliners.
In either case, the connection is usually via a satellite link, hence the higher cost
James Lewis - 12 Mar 2008 17:58 GMT > > "Gethryn" <Geth...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > - Show quoted text - http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/going-abroad/details-by-country/maritime-ship s-ferries/
Can't find any other information on any of the other network's websites though...?
Ian - 08 Mar 2008 12:36 GMT > The earlier post refrred to the problems of paying roming charges to Manx > Telecom while on the Mull of Galloway, ... When it happened to me there weren't any roaming charges - I presume because Manx Telecom was a just a slightly differently branded bit of BT Cellnet (as it then was).
Ian
R. Mark Clayton - 09 Mar 2008 20:19 GMT > Last summer I took a Brittany Ferries trip from Portsmouth to Caen, and > noticed, that even when out of sight of land, and the usual suspects [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I > switched the phone off and avoided the temptation to try! Bog standard GSM has a theoretical limit of about 35km, so even if you can see a network from further away, you probably won't be able to connect to it, so your diagnosis of an on board connection seems likely. Their problem is how to get calls back to blighty, and I suspect the only really reliable way will be satellite - hence the high charges mentioned elsewhere.
In days of yore (OK 20 years ago) UK analogue hand held cell phones would work in Calais or six hours into a North Sea ferry trip. Indeed coverage over water is so good that the North Sea ferry operators used to sell passengers satellite calls but actually route them through large aerials to land based cell phone networks. OTOH once you got to Scandinavia - zilch.
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