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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / June 2008Dolphin, Canary, Racoon, Camel, whats all this boll*x?
It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff please!!! What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up? I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service with someone who doesn't use childish names for their tarriffs. Must be the same twat that called some channels Dave on tv. > It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish > touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > with someone who doesn't use childish names > for their tarriffs. Orange set up a dept to spent over a million quid and take over a year to develop animal tariffs. After losing millions of contract customers with it, the execs responsible are now determined to make it work on PAYT. They have to, their reason to exist and collect enormous pay packets depends on it. I suspect one of them as a student glanced at a copy of Sigmund Freuds totems and taboos, but didn't get as far as to read about how animal totems are infantile So what will happen is they'll lose a few million more PAYT customers, to networks like 3 with their very simple to understand flat 12, before they finally get the boot. Which all goes to show just out of touch with reality FT Orange execs have got since Snook left Steve Terry >> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish >> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Steve Terry Ah, yes, the good old days with Hans Snook. Wasn't he the man who said, in so many words, that mobile phone customers were being ripped off and he wanted to see some fair tariffs? --- Remove 'no_spam_' from email address. --- >>> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish >>> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > customers were being ripped off and he wanted to see some fair > tariffs? He was certainly egalitarian, personal customers got as much as business customers, and he was big on adding innovative services. Not no more, e.g. only Business now get free 0800. and Wildfire, Everyphone, Line2, etc etc. all gone So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great, passed mostly by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet where no amount of infantile advertising will save it. A good measure of which is the Orange list, at it's peak around 2002 about a thousand postings month by dozens of knowledgeable Orange enthusiasts were posted, i checked this month and only one post has been made for June Orange was the only mobile phone network to have such a list, more expertise Orange could have accessed, flushed down the sh.tter Steve Terry > He was certainly egalitarian, personal customers got as much as > business customers, and he was big on adding innovative services. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Steve Terry I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and products, wildfire was fabulous, why they ever got rid of that I don't know, I moved to Voda after being with Orange for a long time, and whilst the reception and customer service were generally better, they hardly have any interesting services. I'm with 3 now, and the amount of gadgets and services they've got is boggling! <snip> > I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and > products, wildfire was fabulous, why they ever got rid of that I don't [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > I'm with 3 now, and the amount of gadgets and services they've got is > boggling! My main phone is now on 3, but apart from 3s planet wap, additional services are lacking they could have services like Line 2 and everyphone Steve Terry ><snip> >> I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >My main phone is now on 3, but apart from 3s planet wap, additional >services are lacking they could have services like Line 2 and everyphone And one could come down to earth and start using telephones once again has they where meant to be used "to conduct a conversation with someone miles away" not for taking pictures with or accessing the internet. Cameras where invented to take pictures with and a computer is used for accessing the Internet NOT a bloody telephone for Gods sake. >><snip> >>> I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > is used for accessing the Internet NOT a bloody telephone for Gods > sake. Which is what the lost Orange services like line 2 and Everyphone did, actually improve chances of getting or making a call. Steve Terry >>><snip> >>>> I have to agree, Orange used to be fantastic, all the fancy services and [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> is used for accessing the Internet NOT a bloody telephone for Gods >> sake. Not for me. I want my phone to do lots of things so that I only need carry one thing around with me that does everything. There have been many times when I've been out walking that I have taken lots of pictures and then enhanced them on the computer later. I only have a 6230i but I use every facility on it except 'push to talk' plus I run java applications. I am just waiting for a phone that will adequately do all I want, that includes wifi and touchscreen, before I get another phone. I am not in favour of locked down systems like the iPhone so I won't be going in that direction but the HTC Diamond is approaching what I want. So, you see, some people might only want to to use a phone just to call people but I want a multifunction device where access to the Net is cheap. The latter condition has some way to go yet. >Which is what the lost Orange services like line 2 and Everyphone did, >actually improve chances of getting or making a call. Yes, I used Everyphone and was sorry to lose it. It appears that if Orange can't see a direct benefit to themselves they dump it. Services like Everyphone, free 0800 calling, line 2 etc. can reduce churn by gaining customer satisfaction. Only line 2 remains to the ordinary punter. My main complaint, in regard to al the operators, is the compulsion to subscribe to services that you don't want. For example, 'Three' advertise a price and then you find that you have to add 'video calling' to the price even though you don't want the service. Then there are the tariffs that compel you to buy texts when you may not want them. What if your main interest is Net access? It is often the case that you have to buy into more minutes than you want or texts or pay for something else that you don't want. Why not have tariffs with a true mix - Choose how much data you want, how many minutes and how many texts or other services without compulsion to buy into more than you want? If mobile phone companies actually did things to please the customer then they would reduce churn and could then actually increase their profits via a win - win situation. --- Remove 'no_spam_' from email address. --- (snipped) > Which is what the lost Orange services like line 2 and Everyphone did, > actually improve chances of getting or making a call. I've still got them both, plus ED50. For my calling pattern it still beats anything I can get on any other network (or any other Orange tariff). Oldie > So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great, passed mostly > by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet where no amount of [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > enthusiasts were posted, i checked this month and only one post has been > made for June Perhaps FT are 'doing a Tiscali' with Orange - making it attractive to a potential buyer by pissing off anybody left who has a clue [ie costs them too much]. I could be very wrong, of course. I don't personally know anybody who is on Orange, and positive comments about Orange in this august forum are very few and far between.  Signature<http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) (UnSoEsNpEaTm@ale.cx) 22:50:52 up 7 days, 22:32, 3 users, load average: 1.07, 1.14, 1.09 Convergence, n: The act of using separate DSL circuits for voice and data >> So FT Orange took his philosophy which made Orange great, passed mostly >> by word of mouth, and flushed it down the toilet where no amount of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > anybody who is on Orange, and positive comments about Orange in this > august forum are very few and far between. Not a chance, No it's simply since Snook left (after created a success), FT Orange UK have developed a pretentious under skilled, over egoed, up there own arse management. Their customers know it, but up in the rarefied closed atmosphere, of their ivory towers, FT Management don't hear it. Like most of UK management, the emperor has no clothes. Steve Terry > > It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish > > touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Steve Terry Well I guess it will lose them plenty of customers on PAYG too.... Its pathetic. I'm off, they can keep their childish and expensive tarriffs. > I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service > with someone who doesn't use childish names > for their tarriffs. Isn't that being a little childish, throwing your teddy out coz you don't like the name? ;-) SignatureJ B >> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service >> with someone who doesn't use childish names [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >;-) Virgin media are just has bad with their small medium and large broadband offerings . In message p2iq5450if8q0eg971pb2lfp91j0p0d6ia@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> Proclaimed from the tallest tower: >>> I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone >>> service with someone who doesn't use childish names [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Virgin media are just has bad with their small medium and large > broadband offerings . Not quite... At least you can make a reasonable guess what the (relative) difference between them is. Large broadband is probably faster (and therefore more expensive) than Small broadband. WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon??? Which is the cheapest if I make mostly calls to other mobiles??? No idea at all!! Seems to me it's just a way of confusing customers into choosing the wrong tariff and so spending more money than they needed to. SignatureRegards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) > WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon??? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racoon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel >> WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon??? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racoon > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel Ahh, so a racoon is a North American fury thing, and a dolphin lives in the sea... Cheers for that!! Don't know what I'd do without you! :-) SignatureRegards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) >> WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon??? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dolphin > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racoon > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canary > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel Your smartarse post neatly illustrates ChrisM's point - what on earth have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can expect from the tariff? Signature<http://ale.cx/> (AIM:troffasky) (UnSoEsNpEaTm@ale.cx) 20:41:49 up 5 days, 20:23, 2 users, load average: 1.07, 1.07, 1.05 Convergence, n: The act of using separate DSL circuits for voice and data >Your smartarse post neatly illustrates ChrisM's point - what on earth >have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can expect >from the tariff? Quite a lot would you give your custom to a taxi service named cow dung taxis ! . In message fn0064hg0api6g1cqqe2g8pp5co71f9tp8@4ax.com, mymail@hotmail.co.uk <mymail@hotmail.co.uk> Proclaimed from the tallest tower: >> Your smartarse post neatly illustrates ChrisM's point - what on earth >> have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can >> expect from the tariff? > Quite a lot would you give your custom to a taxi service named cow > dung taxis ! . eh? You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis' We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the tariff? SignatureRegards, Chris. (Remove Elvis's shoes to email me) >You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis' I would prefer to use safe and reliable :-) >We're saying what does 'Dolphin' or whatever, tell you about the tariff? Nothing at all as far as I can see only that Dolphins are probably more intelligent than the marketing people unless their aim was purely to get people talking about the tariffs without understanding which was which. How long do you think it will be before they come out with Donkey? SignaturePaul Harris >>You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis' >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > people talking about the tariffs without understanding which was which. > How long do you think it will be before they come out with Donkey? No Lamprey, Calf and Bedbug - they are all suckers! >>You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis' > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > How long do you think it will be before they come out with Donkey? > Paul Harris Most Orange customers have already joined the Rat tariff, that's the one where one leaves the sinking ship. Steve Terry In news:qZRlkXK8wLYIFwu9@zen50073.zen.co.uk, Paul Harris <nospam@127.0.0.1> typed, for some strange, unexplained reason: : >You might use a cab firm call 'Speedy Taxis' : > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] : Nothing at all as far as I can see only that Dolphins are probably : more intelligent than the marketing people So long, and thanks for all the fish................. Ivor >>> WTF is the difference between Dolphin and Racoon??? >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > have the names of the tariffs got to do with what service one can expect > from the tariff? Check out the back of a CPW monthly catalogue for tariifs. What the Orange animal tariffs offers in the way of text or calls actually varies with 12, 18, or 24 month contracts, so they aren't even constant! What insanely expensively developed, infantile crap. Steve Terry > > I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service > > with someone who doesn't use childish names [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > ;-) OK then, childish expensive tariffs! I just have two Orange PAYG phones left to move off Orange...having reviewed the spending over the past two years, I'd be better of on a 3 contract tariff (and get a couple of other major advantages too). SignatureBob Eager Use the BIG mirror service in the UK: http://www.mirrorservice.org > It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish > touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff > please!!! > > What sort of TW*T thought this childish idea up? It is aimed at unsphisticated users, who don't choose their phone or tarrif rationally. > I think time has come to move away from Orange and take my phone service > with someone who doesn't use childish names > for their tarriffs. >> It looks like Orange are now giving their PAYG customers the childish >> touch.... In which case, I want the 'Little Fluffy Mouse' tarriff [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > It is aimed at unsphisticated users, who don't choose their phone or > tarrif rationally. I suspect some third rate commercial psychologist convinced Orange that cuddly wuddly animal symbols would appeal to the unconscious mind of Orange victims (sorry customers) Probably the same twat that convinced Pizzaland to paint their restaurants puke green Pizzaland? who they? exactly, they've folded up. A advertising agency friend tells me it's folk law in their industry that the BA ad with Greek urns, where all their passengers are shown as idiots cos they all have a worthless fake Greek urn in their hand luggage, is known as the worst ad in history and is taught as an object lesson on how not to do it. Never make your buying public look fools. Well Orange is now number two, making the same mistake by making film stars look prats, by moronic Orange film execs It's funny for 5 seconds and humiliatingly bad for Oranges image the rest Steve Terry >I suspect some third rate commercial psychologist convinced Orange >that cuddly wuddly animal symbols would appeal to the unconscious mind >of Orange victims (sorry customers) Speaking of cuddly wuddly animals "A little girl goes to a pet shop and asks the shopkeeper "Excuthe me have you got any widdle wabbits?" The shopkeepers heart melts. He gets down on his knees so he's on her level and says, "Do you want a widdle white wabbit, a thoft, fuffy bwack wabbit or even a widdle bwown one?" The little girl blushes, puts her hands on her knees, leans forward and whispers "I don't weally fink my pyfon gives a ****!" |
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