Reporting on the claim that Kofi Annan's office was bugged, the Daily
Telegraph on Friday had an article by someone called Michael Smith whom
it describes as someone who "worked with GCHQ during the Cold War" (and
in a footnote as the author of "The Spying Game"). Mr Smith made the
following claim:
"As long as it was simply switched on, a mobile telephone on Mr Annan's
desk could be used to listen in to anything he was saying to anyone
else. Mobile telephones communicate continuously with their control
stations over a frequency that is quite separate from the one used to
talk on. Anyone who has details of the frequencies and codes in use can
listen in to what is being said in the immediate vicinity of any
telephone on the network. Intelligence services such as GCHQ and NSA do
not even need to obtain the frequencies and codes from the network
provider, they can bypass the main network to take complete control of
any mobile telephone". (Copyright Daily Telegraph, this is a brief
extract for the purposes of comment).
There is a certain plausibility in this claim, as it is well known that
the Post Office (and their successor BT) were happy to add circuits (and
no doubt now software) to their telephone exchanges to make it easy to
tap lines, with the security services picking up the bill. But to get
the access to a mobile phone as claimed here would need a secret
back-door in the firmware of each phone, which requires the co-operation
of all the mobile phone manufacturers in North America, Europe, and the
Far East. This seems a bit less plausible on political grounds at
least, and would be hard to keep secret (except that, if true, it no
longer is secret). Maybe other people with more expertise in these
things can comment on the technical feasibility of the arrangements
described above.
While I'm no expert on mobile phones, I do know a bit about the laws of
physics, and there is no getting away from the fact that any mobile
phone which is transmitting a continuous audio stream for any length of
time would run its battery down much more rapidly than usual: as we all
know "talk time" is much shorter than "standby time". This would make
it hard to implement such a facility without arousing suspicion.
On the other hand, maybe that explains why my phone runs down so quickly
now: I though it was just an old battery which needed to be replaced.
Paranoid, Moi?

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hairydog@despammed.com - 29 Feb 2004 11:08 GMT
>Reporting on the claim that Kofi Annan's office was bugged, the Daily
>"As long as it was simply switched on, a mobile telephone on Mr Annan's
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>any mobile telephone". (Copyright Daily Telegraph, this is a brief
>extract for the purposes of comment).
That is utter and complete drivel. The reason the spooks would want to
make people believe that is so that they won't look for the bugs
hidden in the curtain rail, or the ones over the road detecting window
vibrations.
As you quite rightly pointed out, the battery would go flat. Mobile
phone battery life may be claimed to be a few hours of calls, but
continuous use would reduce that further, and the user would notice
when they came to make a call.
Yes, it is possible to arrange things so that the phone receives a
call silently, and maybe even to get it to make a call, but only
through the normal mobile network, and not as described. There is no
backdoor that could possibly work like that.
Anyone who knows the codes can listen in to anything being said near
any phone on the network? How dim do they think we are? Have a look at
how GSM works (http://www.mobileshop.org/howitworks/) though of
course, the USA doesn't use GSM.
Yes, landline phones are dead easy to tap, and I understand that there
is a generic monitoring system that listens in to calls for specific
words all the time, but if the phone is on the hook, the exchange
can't use it as a bug: some local rewiring is needed.

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Ivor Jones - 29 Feb 2004 15:56 GMT
[snip]
> Anyone who knows the codes can listen in to anything being said near
> any phone on the network? How dim do they think we are? Have a look at
> how GSM works (http://www.mobileshop.org/howitworks/) though of
> course, the USA doesn't use GSM.
It does in places, GSM1900 and also 850 now coming into use, so we'll need
quad band phones soon..!
Ivor
Hiram Hackenbacker - 29 Feb 2004 16:23 GMT
>> Anyone who knows the codes can listen in to anything being said near
>> any phone on the network? How dim do they think we are? Have a look at
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>It does in places, GSM1900 and also 850 now coming into use, so we'll need
>quad band phones soon..!
Perhaps he meant GSM doesn't work in Japan? As you probably know, GSM
has operated in the US for at least five years. I used a Timeport
there in 1999 (my first tri-band).

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hairydog@despammed.com - 29 Feb 2004 19:43 GMT
>Perhaps he meant GSM doesn't work in Japan? As you probably know, GSM
>has operated in the US for at least five years.
No, I meant the USA. OK there is now some GSM there, but it isn't the
"standard" mobile system there, and the twaddle about bugging was
probably not referring to GSM.

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Hiram Hackenbacker - 29 Feb 2004 11:39 GMT
>Reporting on the claim that Kofi Annan's office was bugged, the Daily
>Telegraph on Friday had an article by someone called Michael Smith whom
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>desk could be used to listen in to anything he was saying to anyone
>else.
Ah that Michael Smith. We had to tell him something about how we
bugged mobile phones so we spun him that yarn. He wasn't cleared to
be given details of how we really bug mobile telephones.
We also told him about the 90# method of getting free calls on his
phone. Apparantly it worked for him.

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Terry Eden - 29 Feb 2004 13:37 GMT
> "As long as it was simply switched on, a mobile telephone on Mr
> Annan's desk could be used to listen in to anything he was saying to
> anyone else.
Nope. Some Nokias used to allow you to set the ringer to silent and the
phone to auto answer so you could use the phone as a bugging device. They
don't any more.
> Mobile telephones communicate continuously with their
> control stations over a frequency that is quite separate from the one
> used to talk on.
Yup. That bid-i-bip sound you hear every hour or so is the phone telling
the base station where it is.
A GSM phone can be used to track you - to an astonishing accuracy. The
facility is mostly used for E112 and for Location Services. But, if "they"
put sufficient pressure on an operator it could be used to track your
movements.
> Anyone who has details of the frequencies and codes
> in use can listen in to what is being said in the immediate vicinity
> of any telephone on the network.
You can tell that the hone is in use - but the Air Interface is encryped.
There has been some discussion about how secure the code really is, but it's
about as secure as we can get. Assuming "they" don't have quantum computers
that is :-)
It's a lot easier just to point a laser at a window and listen to a
conversation that way. Or bribe an aide!
Terry
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Dave Stanton - 29 Feb 2004 13:43 GMT
> It's a lot easier just to point a laser at a window and listen to a
> conversation that way. Or bribe an aide!
>
> Terry
>
> --
As its already in place ! why not just tap the landlines connecting all
cellular base stations.
Dave

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Hiram Hackenbacker - 29 Feb 2004 14:01 GMT
>A GSM phone can be used to track you - to an astonishing accuracy. The
>facility is mostly used for E112 and for Location Services. But, if "they"
>put sufficient pressure on an operator it could be used to track your
>movements.
This is of course wrong. A GSM network can be used to track the GSM
phone. Any criminal wishing to set-up a suitable alibi only need let
someone else carry their phone for them, to locations many km's away
from the crime they wish to commit.

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Geoff - 29 Feb 2004 15:57 GMT
That's what is SO funny! They often have a few phones and slip-up once
records are checked.
> >A GSM phone can be used to track you - to an astonishing accuracy. The
> >facility is mostly used for E112 and for Location Services. But, if "they"
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> someone else carry their phone for them, to locations many km's away
> from the crime they wish to commit.
Geoff - 29 Feb 2004 15:56 GMT
Hello,
Have you not seen the Nokia used by certain "agencies" about 10 years ago
that had a camera fitted in the end of the aerial. The mobile number was
dialled and the phone didn't ring but would TX sound/video. It could still
be used as a phone.
Anything is possible. Police used to follow drug dealers about with the
help of mobile companies "pinging" phones to see where they were.
> Reporting on the claim that Kofi Annan's office was bugged, the Daily
> Telegraph on Friday had an article by someone called Michael Smith whom
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
> now: I though it was just an old battery which needed to be replaced.
> Paranoid, Moi?
Peter Neal - 29 Feb 2004 19:57 GMT
> Reporting on the claim that Kofi Annan's office was bugged, the Daily
> Telegraph on Friday had an article by someone called Michael Smith whom
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> any mobile telephone". (Copyright Daily Telegraph, this is a brief
> extract for the purposes of comment).
As far as I am aware the bit about using control packets to listen in on
conversations is rubbish but you can cirtainly use a modified handset to
"spy" on people. See http://www.endoacustica.com/english/details_8310_en.htm
Of coure this would require swapping the modded handset in place of a
genuine one but I can't imagine that being outside the abilities of a
security agency!
> While I'm no expert on mobile phones, I do know a bit about the laws of
> physics, and there is no getting away from the fact that any mobile
> phone which is transmitting a continuous audio stream for any length of
> time would run its battery down much more rapidly than usual: as we all
> know "talk time" is much shorter than "standby time". This would make
> it hard to implement such a facility without arousing suspicion.
If you were swapping the phone for a different one it would be easy to fit a
higher capacity battery with the same form factor as a genuine battery (it'd
just cost a bit more). This could completely mask this effect.
> On the other hand, maybe that explains why my phone runs down so quickly
> now: I though it was just an old battery which needed to be replaced.
> Paranoid, Moi?
Is your phone really your phone or actually a spy phone clad in your
case.... ;)
Cheers,
Pete.