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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / April 2004Virgin Future
Hi, Has anyone any idea of what Virgins future plans might be? I read here that the T-Mobile/Virgin legal battle was over. This leaves us with Virgin being severely behind the times (re: GPRS ) in a market where call prices are supposed to be tumbling. Virin scores OK with it's 3p text, but its Virgin-Virgin rates high and its XNet rates are very high. Anyone's ear to the ground? Benthamman > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anyone's ear to the ground? I'm given to believe that Virgin Mobile will go IPO soonish; look to their Prospectus for future plans... Mind you, VM have to pay T-Mobile 25% of any proceeds in excess of £550m if they IPO before mid-2006, so it's possible that VM might delay things. Jon  SignatureSPAM BLOCK IN USE! Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email. Want a free solution to email spam? Try http://www.deadspam.com/ (Declaration of interest: I own/run the domain.) > Hi, > Has anyone any idea of what Virgins future plans might be? I read here [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Anyone's ear to the ground? > Benthamman If the networks eventually do the sensible thing and kill phone subsides, something that's proved to be difficult with new competition from heavily subsidised 3 and soon more 3G networks. Then there simply is No future for any virtual network, as the real networks will then be able to offer USA and Scandinavian type tariffs with inc mins measured in pennies e.g. a typical US unsubsidised phone, monthly tariff for say 30bucks, would give you combined 300 mins peak, and 3000 mins off-peak. There is no such thing as a free phone, you presently pay for them in your call costs Virgin and all Virtual users with unsubsidised phones are totally blind to the fact Steve Terry stop preaching, we've already understood your point of your view. No one really cares, money is nothing to most people. > stop preaching, we've already understood your point of your view. No one > really cares, money is nothing to most people. Well I for one found Steve's comments interesting.... Money is something to me but then I'm a skinflint Yorkshireman .. :-) Hello, If the legal battle is over then Virgin must have lost. They don't offer ANYTHING OTHER THAN PHONE CALLS AND WAP. No multimedia messaging, no email, nothing like that, shame I wasn't advised when I bought a nice new phone on Virgin PAYG from carphone Warehouse. > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Benthamman > Hello, > > If the legal battle is over then Virgin must have lost. They don't offer > ANYTHING OTHER THAN PHONE CALLS AND WAP. ...and GSM data (modem) calls. Which is more than 3 can manage. 3 (the Great Multicoloured Hope to some) can't give you *any* (GSM, HSCSD, GPRS, UMTS) IP or pseudo-analogue data connection. > No multimedia messaging, no email, nothing like that You can access email perfectly well with any phone that can make GSM data calls, particularly if the phone itself can grok POP3 and SMTP. And you don't have to pay per email (3, stand at the back of the class -- 25p just to send a "small" email? You gotta be kidding!), just for the connect time. Jon SignatureSPAM BLOCK IN USE! Replace 'deadspam' with 'green-lines' to reply in email. Want a free solution to email spam? Try http://www.deadspam.com/ (Declaration of interest: I own/run the domain.) >If the legal battle is over then Virgin must have lost. Top poster, facts wrong. They won. Basically, in return for the monthly outpayment, T-Mobile gave away its 50% shareholding. They couldn't offer the other services till the case was settled, but now they're squaring up for sale. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Anyone's ear to the ground? There's very little information available. Virgin better get its act together soon though - they're starting to look more and more like a joke network as the months roll on. No GPRS, no call forwarding and no fax diversion let alone advanced multi media message handling. In fact services have been removed from the Virgin network including the genuinely useful Mobile Email which is now unique to T-Mobile. Gareth. > Virgin better get its act together soon though - they're starting to > look more and more like a joke network as the months roll on. The problem is - they're offering a very good service for the section of the population who * Don't want a monthly bill * Don't want a hugly expensive gimmick phone * Don't use their phone a great deal * Don't want to use anything more than basic voice/text. I think it's safe to say that Virgin aren't going after the business-man who needs GPRS and Fax divert. They may be shooting themselves in the foot a bit by not offering picture messaging - but, TBH, it's not exactly the money spinner every network was hoping for. In fact - if it wasn't for the company phone I have - I'd still use my Virgin SIM. As I see it, Virgin represents one of the best pre-pay offerings out there for people who just want a no hassle voice/text offering. Terry Signature-- small disclaimer - speaking for myself, not my employer. HI Terry.. I totally agree, Virgin are a very good basic mobile provider, there customer services are really excellent, not like others whom charge a lot more, they (Virgin) offer the cheapest text messaging at 3p Virgin to Virgin. All in all, for the casual user Virgin are pretty good. Brian > > Virgin better get its act together soon though - they're starting to > > look more and more like a joke network as the months roll on. [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > -- > small disclaimer - speaking for myself, not my employer. > HI Terry.. > I totally agree, Virgin are a very good basic mobile provider, there [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > All in all, for the casual user Virgin are pretty good. > Brian <snip top post> FWDCellulars 100% cashback T Mobile FT750 Sim for 99p would give you your first 50 text a month to anyone for free. With unlimited free Simplex Voicemail deposits into other T Mobile phones, and 10 million on net users to call. Steve Terry [snip] >FWDCellulars 100% cashback T Mobile FT750 Sim for 99p would give you >your first 50 text a month to anyone for free. [snip] Does that include text to short codes (e.g. BBC Radio 5live, "85058" ?) It doesn't seem to include texts to landlines. > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Does that include text to short codes (e.g. BBC Radio 5live, "85058" > ?) It doesn't seem to include texts to landlines. No AFAIK it doesn't inc international, or short code text. When I say to anyone, I meant to any other UK mobile network, unlike Virgins on net only discount. Steve Terry >HI Terry.. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >All in all, for the casual user Virgin are pretty good. I'd agree. When it's set up for direct debit, their roaming rates can be lower than Orange's - with per second billing (after the 1st minute). Additionally, recently in USA, Orange (roaming on AT&T) wanted to charge me 26p + standard rate for SMS, Virging charged 25p all in. No idea what my bill will say for texts sent over Cingular, Orange claim it isn't supported at all (but it works!). Signature-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell Eridani MailStripper -- www.eridani.co.uk/MailStripper -- Uncovers Everything! /* Halley */ <--- Halley's Comment > >HI Terry.. > >I totally agree, Virgin are a very good basic mobile provider, there [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > I'd agree. When it's set up for direct debit, their roaming rates can be > lower than Orange's - with per second billing (after the 1st minute). Depending on the roaming networks billing ? Some bill by the min other by the sec. Virgin with DD full roaming added, is by far the best thing about Virgin. Steve Terry >> >HI Terry.. >> >I totally agree, Virgin are a very good basic mobile provider, there [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >Depending on the roaming networks billing ? >Some bill by the min other by the sec. No - Virgin have made this part of their flat rate - 1 min, then per second. http://makeashorterlink.com/?H28513328 >Virgin with DD full roaming added, is by far the best thing about Virgin. Totally agree. Signature-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell Eridani MailStripper -- www.eridani.co.uk/MailStripper -- Uncovers Everything! /* Halley */ <--- Halley's Comment > Additionally, recently in USA, Orange (roaming on AT&T) wanted to charge > me 26p + standard rate for SMS, Virging charged 25p all in. > > No idea what my bill will say for texts sent over Cingular, Orange claim > it isn't supported at all (but it works!). Possibly because of the pending merger of ATT and Cingular? > > Hi, > > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > handling. In fact services have been removed from the Virgin network > including the genuinely useful Mobile Email which is now unique to T-Mobile. Lets face it very few punters are interested in those gimmicky items.. they just want to make calls and send text msgs.. Who on earth uses faxes these days anyway? There was a very good joke on the back of Computer Weekly about all this internet stuff on a mobile phone... its been overtaken by wireless hotspots for your laptop... > Lets face it very few punters are interested in those gimmicky items.. they > just want to make calls and send text msgs.. > Who on earth uses faxes these days anyway? > There was a very good joke on the back of Computer Weekly about all this > internet stuff on a mobile phone... its been overtaken by wireless hotspots > for your laptop... Maybe but from experience I think that Mobile Email was a genuinely useful service. Call Diversion can be an essential service and yet Virgin is unable to provide this even to pay monthly customers who have passed a credit check. Other than that Virgin provide a very good service with decentish customer support - which has however deteriorated over the years. Gareth. BillV posted the following for all to hear... > Lets face it very few punters are interested in those gimmicky items.. they > just want to make calls and send text msgs.. In your opinion maybe. > Who on earth uses faxes these days anyway? I find the biggest amount of enquiries about fax comes from the deaf community. > There was a very good joke on the back of Computer Weekly about all this > internet stuff on a mobile phone... its been overtaken by wireless hotspots > for your laptop... And how many people carry their laptops everywhere they go? It's rather a poor comparison. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk change 'spam' to 'info' to email SonyEricsson T610 unlock/unbrand - £15 Motorola remote unlocking back - £20 > There was a very good joke on the back of Computer Weekly about all this > internet stuff on a mobile phone... its been overtaken by wireless hotspots > for your laptop... Yeah, right. *If* you can find a hotspot (not too many otuside urban areas), *if* you have the right subscriptions to access the hotspot and *if* you happen to lug a laptop around with you. Hotspots have their place but they will never provide the ubiquity requried to become a vaible wide area alternative. z >Has anyone any idea of what Virgins future plans might be? To be sold. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > >Has anyone any idea of what Virgins future plans might be? > > To be sold. > Iain Why would anyone buy them ? Anyone can set up a virtual network, all Virgin have achieved is a tariff that punters accept, and anyone can copy. and as Orange showed until the bean counters killed it, easily better it. Steve Terry >Why would anyone buy them ? Excellent question. I'd not buy it for a fiver, myself. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:18:52 +0100, "Steve Terry" > <g4wwk@despammed.com> wrote: > > >Why would anyone buy them ? > > Excellent question. I'd not buy it for a fiver, myself. Yes it is a good question. Nevertheless, analyst's valuations seem to fall in the range of £1billion - £1.5billion. > > On Sun, 25 Apr 2004 23:18:52 +0100, "Steve Terry" > > <g4wwk@despammed.com> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Yes it is a good question. Nevertheless, analyst's valuations seem to fall > in the range of £1billion - £1.5billion. Give me half a billion, and tomorrow I'd start a virtual that would wipe Virgins floor Steve Terry Hello Steve, SDT> Give me half a billion, and tomorrow I'd start a > virtual that would wipe Virgins floor Give me a fiver and I'll go down the chippie. - Andy Ball > Hello Steve, > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Give me a fiver and I'll go down the chippie. > - Andy Ball Make it 3.50 and i'll get a kebab ;-) Steve Terry >Hi, > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Benthamman I have been told by two virgin phone-help agents that gprs (I am interested in this) was expected 'early' this year, with a suggestion that end of April (a bit unspecific) it may be brought out. However, contact today did not give anything different, so may not be very close. It was suggested that they would be looking to T Mobile for gprs. SignatureAC |
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