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Cellular Phone Forum / Country Specific / UK Group / May 2004Orange smtp/pop
Hello all I am ditching my current ISP and intend to use the orange smtp and pop servers for email. Based on experience, is this a good move folks? i.e. is it reliable? TIA Nick > Hello all > > I am ditching my current ISP and intend to use the orange smtp and pop > servers for email. > > Based on experience, is this a good move folks? i.e. is it reliable? It's generally been ok for me over the last 2 years that i've been using it Paul >> Hello all >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Paul been fine for me too, been using for roughly a couple of years. > >> Hello all > >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > been fine for me too, been using for roughly a couple of years. I haven't been able to access the smtp server to send mail for ages, at least 2 months. The POP3 one is fine though, nobody including Orange seems to know why. Sending via my ISP's smtp server is fine. Anyone have any ideas..? Ivor >I haven't been able to access the smtp server to send mail for ages, at >least 2 months. The POP3 one is fine though, nobody including Orange seems [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >Anyone have any ideas..? Because almost all ISPs only let you access their SMTP server if you are connected via their dial-up. This is to stop spammers abusing the server. I can't imagine why Orange don't know this.  SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > >I haven't been able to access the smtp server to send mail for ages, at > >least 2 months. The POP3 one is fine though, nobody including Orange seems [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > I can't imagine why Orange don't know this. But Orange don't have dialup access any more..! It worked fine until around 2 months ago. Ivor > > >I haven't been able to access the smtp server to send mail for ages, at > > >least 2 months. The POP3 one is fine though, nobody including Orange [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Ivor they have gprs www point. Signature-- Kind Regards Neil B - Redditch - www.nells.org.uk Live Life in the Fast Lane - www.blueyonder.co.uk My new group - http://tv.groups.yahoo.com/group/lucy_pargeter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). [snip] > > > Because almost all ISPs only let you access their SMTP server if you > > > are connected via their dial-up. This is to stop spammers abusing the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > they have gprs www point. I don't understand that at all..! And it helps me on my home PC connected via ADSL how, exactly..? Ivor >I don't understand that at all..! Sorry, but it was perfectly clear. Your best bet is to let is just wash over you, and imagine that it doesn't matter. >And it helps me on my home PC connected >via ADSL how, exactly..? By telling you to use your ISP's SMTP server unless you are connecting by GPRS to ORange. Seems perfectly clear and simple to me. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > >I don't understand that at all..! > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > By telling you to use your ISP's SMTP server unless you are connecting > by GPRS to ORange. Seems perfectly clear and simple to me. True, but it still doesn't answer my original question of why I can no longer use Orange's smtp server when I could before. Which is all I asked. As you correctly state, I have access to my ISP's server, I'd just like to know *why* I can't use the Orange one. As I receive mail via Orange, when I click on reply, it defaults to sending via Orange, which is why I'd rather like to be able to do so. Ivor >True, but it still doesn't answer my original question of why I can no >longer use Orange's smtp server when I could before. Which is all I asked. I told you. Did you not read it? >As you correctly state, I have access to my ISP's server, I'd just like to >know *why* I can't use the Orange one. Because ISPs only let people connected to their network send through their SMTP server, except to local addresses. The reason for this restriction is to stop spammers using the SMTP server to relay spam. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! >But Orange don't have dialup access any more..! It worked fine until >around 2 months ago. Oh, but they do. Well, sort of dial-up: GPRS. Unless you have an IP address in their range, you can't send through their SMTP server. That's normal. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > >But Orange don't have dialup access any more..! It worked fine until > >around 2 months ago. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Unless you have an IP address in their range, you can't send through > their SMTP server. That's normal. So why did it work fine until 2 months ago..? I had no message telling me I would no longer be able to use it. Ivor >So why did it work fine until 2 months ago..? I had no message telling me >I would no longer be able to use it. I bet it didn't. I notice that you are posting through a POL news server, so you are probably on a Freeserve connection. Freeserve routinely grab all traffic to port 25 (smtp) regardless of destination and divert it through their smtp server. This is because Freeserve assume that all their users are incapable of changing the smtp server settings when they switch internet connections. Unfortunately, like all the rest of the Freeserve experience, they don't do it very well, and sometimes message don't get diverted. However, it sounds as if they have finally stopped this altogether, at long last. I wonder if they have also removed the proxy cache that you can't force to refresh whatever you do. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! > >So why did it work fine until 2 months ago..? I had no message telling me > >I would no longer be able to use it. > > I bet it didn't. You can bet what you like, it worked fine. Maybe it was 3 months, I don't remember exactly, but no longer than that. > I notice that you are posting through a POL news server, so you are > probably on a Freeserve connection. Freeserve routinely grab all > traffic to port 25 (smtp) regardless of destination and divert it > through their smtp server. In which case, my using smtp.orange.net shouldn't make a difference, should it..? You correctly assume I'm using Freeserve, or whatever it's called this week, so why can I use that and not Orange's server, if FS grab port 25 anyway..? > This is because Freeserve assume that all their users are incapable of > changing the smtp server settings when they switch internet > connections. > > Unfortunately, like all the rest of the Freeserve experience, they > don't do it very well, and sometimes message don't get diverted. This may well be the case, but it appears to be a permanent problem; if it was "sometimes", it would "sometimes" work, surely..? > However, it sounds as if they have finally stopped this altogether, at > long last. > > I wonder if they have also removed the proxy cache that you can't > force to refresh whatever you do. Oh yes, that went a long time ago, nothing to do with this problem. Ivor >In which case, my using smtp.orange.net shouldn't make a difference, >should it..? You correctly assume I'm using Freeserve, or whatever it's >called this week, so why can I use that and not Orange's server, if FS >grab port 25 anyway..? Al I can do is tell you the same thing again. I'm not prepared to do it a third time, so if you are still befuddled, read this and my preceding messages over and over again till you grasp it. Because Freeserve assumed that their users are stupid, they used to ignore the settings in your email software, and any traffic sent to any port 25 (the port used by smtp servers) was not delivered where it was being sent, but instead was grabbed by the Freeserve smtp server. You may have thought you were using the Orange smtp server, but your outgoing emails never went anywhere near it. This diversion was never reliable, and it sounds as if Freeserve have finally decided to switch it off. Have they moved to a premium rate support number, I wonder? So now you have to put the correct settings into your email software, or your outgoing mail won't get through. >This may well be the case, but it appears to be a permanent problem; if it >was "sometimes", it would "sometimes" work, surely..? It worked most of the time. Probably only a few % failed to get through. But that's not really very wonderful, in my view. >> However, it sounds as if they have finally stopped this altogether, at >> long last. Try reading the preceding paragraph again. You appear not to have grasped its meaning the first time round, judging by your comments. >> I wonder if they have also removed the proxy cache that you can't >> force to refresh whatever you do. >Oh yes, that went a long time ago, That's not my understanding. It was certainly there a couple of weeks ago. Freeserve don't want the hassle of fetching fresh pages, it seems. Most users won't notice, unless they are looking at freshly-changed web pages. >nothing to do with this problem. Not much, but not "nothing", in that it is an indication of how poorly Freeserve regards their customers. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! this.address@notvalid.inv had a brainwave and did spout the following: > But Orange don't have dialup access any more..! It worked fine until > around 2 months ago. You need to have authentication enabled to use the Orange SMTP server from a non-Orange GPRS IP. Signaturewww.unlockingshop.co.uk T610 unlock/unbrand/upgrade - £15 I can confirm this. I was sending messages via smtp.orange.net successfully yesterday cia a corporate internet connection i.e. not GPRS or dial up. Nick > this.address@notvalid.inv had a brainwave and did spout the following: > > But Orange don't have dialup access any more..! It worked fine until [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > www.unlockingshop.co.uk > T610 unlock/unbrand/upgrade - £15 > > >I haven't been able to access the smtp server to send mail for ages, at > > >least 2 months. The POP3 one is fine though, nobody including Orange [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > around 2 months ago. > Ivor Orange dial up was on UUNet, Orange now recommend Freeserve, I already had a Freeserve dial up, and it works fine for SMTP sending my Orange email Steve Terry [snip] > Orange dial up was on UUNet, Orange now recommend Freeserve, I already > had a Freeserve dial up, and it works fine for SMTP sending my Orange email > > Steve Terry Yes it does, but I have three accounts set up at the moment; one for Freeserve, one for Orange and one for my website address. I don't use the last one as to get the SMS alerts I redirect any mail sent to it to my Orange account. I only use the Freeserve one for outgoing mail. What I've been trying to get across is that due to incoming mail being sent to the Orange address, replies default to going via Orange, however that isn't now working. Yes I can alter the settings, but I was wondering why I can no longer use Orange's smtp server when I could until 2/3 months ago. Ivor Thank you gentlemen! > Hello all > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Nick > Thank you gentlemen! > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > > > Nick Been using it three months and loads of problems. service down, unable to connect, unable to send mail. > Hello all > > I am ditching my current ISP and intend to use the orange smtp and pop > servers for email. > > Based on experience, is this a good move folks? i.e. is it reliable? If reliability is important then I wouldn't use it as my main address - it's mostly okay but can screw up often enough to be inconvenient. Also if the address ever finds its way onto a spam list you'll have to disable SMS alerts. Thanks to you gentlemen also. Realistically the SMS/spam list thing sounds like a showstopper. I don't suppose you can configure filters on their POP server either. Nick > > Hello all > > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > if the address ever finds its way onto a spam list you'll have to > disable SMS alerts. > Thanks to you gentlemen also. Realistically the SMS/spam list thing sounds > like a showstopper. I don't suppose you can configure filters on their POP > server either. It's got basic filters (from and subject line) but as far as I can tell Orange don't have proper spam blocking, not even from webmail let alone POP3. What I did is set up another address on myrealbox.com and forward everything to Orange, but they're not allowing any more sign ups at the moment. mail.yahoo.co.uk maybe still do free mail forwarding in exchange for the odd advert. I don't know of any other providers that do it but if you were to pay a one-off $14.95 you could get a fastmail.fm account with mail forwarding. Presumably myrealbox have proper filtering facilities on their smtp servers that are user configurable? I suppose a grovelling email to them might get me in! Nick > > Thanks to you gentlemen also. Realistically the SMS/spam list thing sounds > > like a showstopper. I don't suppose you can configure filters on their POP [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > were to pay a one-off $14.95 you could get a fastmail.fm account with > mail forwarding. > Presumably myrealbox have proper filtering facilities on their smtp servers > that are user configurable? Yes, you can put incoming mail into folders depending on patterns in From/To/Cc/Subject/Body and download it with POP3 or IMAP. > I suppose a grovelling email to them might get me in! Don't think it works like that but you could have a try... Thanks Dan. Typical Novell though not accepting new accounts. They could learn a thing or two from M$! Nick > > Presumably myrealbox have proper filtering facilities on their smtp servers > > that are user configurable? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Don't think it works like that but you could have a try... >Based on experience, is this a good move folks? i.e. is it reliable? No. Why not get an email account with another provider, which won't tie you to using Orange? Of course, you'll still send mail through the Orange SMTP server. SignatureIain the out-of-date hairydog guide to mobile phones http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html Browse now while stocks last! Thanks for giving me this idea O Canine One. That way I can have multiple email addresses and spam filtering then forward to smtp.orange.net. Nick > >Based on experience, is this a good move folks? i.e. is it reliable? > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > http://www.hairydog.co.uk/cell1.html > Browse now while stocks last! |
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