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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / August 2003Is AMPS necessary for Verizon in NYC?
I was looking at the new LG VX6000 and noticed it has no AMPS ability. With Verizon is there any reason to need this for New York City? I wouldn't think so, esp if your just using it in the city. Do you have a vzn phone now or a friend? if so do you ever notice it going out of digital in your travels? that would tell you for sure. Dital coverage should be complete over the city, know most places I go I never see analog on the phone any more. "Sharpie" <NOMAIL@NOMAIL.NOMAIL> wrote in article <hXf2b.48944$Sq.8188706@twister.nyc.rr.com>: > I was looking at the new LG VX6000 and noticed it has no AMPS ability. With > Verizon is there any reason to need this for New York City? do not listen to the f.ck, of course u need analogue service in NYC, so when the fucken digital sh.t is down, you can still fucken force you phone to analogue and fucken make a call. Cletis,. X1XX@hotmail.com (CCCC1 1CCCC) wrote in article <vkj3uohv8ra907@corp.supernews.com>: > I wouldn't think so, esp if your just using it in the city. Do you have > a vzn phone now or a friend? if so do you ever notice it going out of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be down most likely...MB fuckCCCC1@1CCCC.cum (Cletis Perkins) wrote in article <vkj4qobm73o931@corp.supernews.com>: > do not listen to the f.ck, of course u need analogue service in NYC, so > when the fucken digital sh.t is down, you can still fucken force you > phone to analogue and fucken make a call. > > Cletis,. Ok, I'm trying to get the gist of this. What you say in this post makes sense, but being concerned about reliability in all circumstances, is there even an iota of a chance that digital could go down and analog stay up, and thus it would be advantageous to have AMPS capable phone? If its even 5% chance then it seems if one is using the phone for pseudo-emmergency reasons, it would make more sense. Or would it really make less than any difference in NYC? Its really a shame that the LG vx6000 has no AMPS, is there any phone like it coming with both AMPS and CMDA? > cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > down most likely...MB [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] I agree with you, It could happen so don't buy a digital only handset if there are tri-mode handsets are availabile.... Hey trimode handset here :^) MB "Sharpie" <NOMAIL@NOMAIL.NOMAIL> wrote in article <pfh2b.49277$Sq.8259042@twister.nyc.rr.com>: > Ok, I'm trying to get the gist of this. What you say in this post makes > sense, but being concerned about reliability in all circumstances, is there [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > that the LG vx6000 has no AMPS, is there any phone like it coming with both > AMPS and CMDA? Sharpie, pay no attention to Cletis. There *is* a small chance that digital will go down. In fact, it happens almost nightly for just a few minutes. However, that in itself is still no reason to *need* AMPS capability. Go to Verizon or your nearest RadioShack and grab a coverage map, or find the one online (the web site's been too cluttered to find anything here lately). You'll see what's analog and what's digital. In NYC, there should be absolutely no reason to *need* AMPS. I must admit I was a bit hesitant to leave behind AMPS myself. As a salesgrunt for R$ and a bit of a real-life "Test man" I know better than anyone what-works-where in my area. However, I have found that the current digital-only phones actually far outperform their AMPS-capable counterparts. The RF performance is amazing, particularly on my VX6000 and the A530. I get usable digital signal in many areas which were once analog, or even no-service zones just a few months ago with my tri-mode handsets. Best advice: Get the VX6000 and take it for a test drive. Drive around town with it. Go all the places you routinely go and expect your phone to work. After 4 or 5 days, if you're not happy, take it back and swap it out for one of the tri-mode phones like the VX4400. See if that performs any better for you. I'm sure you'll probably end up coming back to the 6000, but it's your phone, and you know better than anyone what you need in your handset. Steve > Ok, I'm trying to get the gist of this. What you say in this post makes > sense, but being concerned about reliability in all circumstances, is there [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] f.ck you steve, if you pay attention to me you will get the correct answers. Digital sh.t is just a fad, everyone will eventually convert back to analogue and sh.t, digital SUCKS DICK!! theres nothing better then the illegal bagphone I have on my pickup, capable of doing 50 watts ERP!!! you at least need fucken analogue to fall back on, because digital fucken sucks. Cletis. Steve Crow <steve@stevecrow.net> wrote in article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308250216340.24168-100000@www.stevecrow.net>: > Sharpie, pay no attention to Cletis. > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] In article <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308250216340.24168-100000 @www.stevecrow.net>, steve@stevecrow.net says... > Sharpie, pay no attention to Cletis. > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > > > > > fuckCCCC1@1CCCC.cum (Cletis Perkins) wrote in article Are you comparing the X1 digital to the older digital? Louise > Ok, I'm trying to get the gist of this. What you say in this post makes > sense, but being concerned about reliability in all circumstances, is there [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] Yes - there is a small chance - I've had it happen - but rarely. As I understand it, Verizon will not be putting out any more amps phones. They want it all digital and the best place to start is by refusing to offer amps phones. Sales rep assured me within a year or two I would never be using amps. But...within a year or two, I"ll buy a new phone! I got the 4400 which is tri mode. Louise They may start encouraging digital-only phones for *SOME* small regional plans. Verizon has too many AMPS-only and TDMA/AMPS roaming partners for their national plans to go digital-only and still offer the same quality of service. I've been hearing this bulldung for three years at least... and we just got a digital verizon repeater in our town less than a year ago! JS > Yes - there is a small chance - I've had it happen - but > rarely. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Louise What is a digital repeated? "Jacob Suter" <jsuter@spamintrastar.net> wrote in article <ZLB3b.82$5E2.67@newssvr23.news.prodigy.com>: > They may start encouraging digital-only phones for *SOME* small regional > plans. Verizon has too many AMPS-only and TDMA/AMPS roaming partners for [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > > > Louise I guess I should use the proper term... "cell site"... Tower? Base Station? :) JS > What is a digital repeated? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] Thanks for info. "Jacob Suter" <jsuter@spamintrastar.net> wrote in article <BnF3b.653$Td4.74@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>: > I guess I should use the proper term... "cell site"... > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] again think the simple answer from those of us living and working in NYC is NO AMPS is not needed in NYC, Where ever I go in NYC there is a digital signal. As someone stated before AMPS here is terrible, lots of static its almost unuseable "Jacob Suter" <jsuter@spamintrastar.net> wrote in article <BnF3b.653$Td4.74@newssvr22.news.prodigy.com>: > I guess I should use the proper term... "cell site"... > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] >cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be >down most likely...MB That's just not so. When digital crashes, AMPS still works just fine. I should know...(c; Larry W4CSC Maybe we could get the power grid fixed if every politician regulating the power companies wasn't on their payrolls. nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in news:3f4a00fa.3784480 @news.knology.net: >>cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be >>down most likely...MB >> > That's just not so. When digital crashes, AMPS still works just fine. > I should know...(c; The few times I've tried to use analog in NYC (on both my old 7868W and my current VX4400), it was pretty much unusable, at least in Downtown Manhattan. There was heavy static, such that it was almost impossible to hold a conversation. I leave my 4400 forced to digital at all times while in the NYC area. Other than during the recent blackout, this has not been a problem. - David All the time during blackout both digital and analog signals were there. Both were same useless due to overload. Forcing phone into analog didn't help a single bit. nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article <3f4a00fa.3784480@news.knology.net>: > >cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > >down most likely...MB [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Maybe we could get the power grid fixed if every politician > regulating the power companies wasn't on their payrolls. nospam@home.com (Larry W4CSC) wrote in article <3f4a00fa.3784480@news.knology.net>: > >cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > >down most likely...MB > > > That's just not so. When digital crashes, AMPS still works just fine. > I should know...(c; When digital "crashes" a trimode phone will lock onto AMPS and still make the call Larry. If the system is down IE cut fiber line, switch down or a problem with a trunk, analog will not work any better than digital as both will be dead possibly.MB > >cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > >down most likely...MB > > > That's just not so. When digital crashes, AMPS still works just fine. > I should know...(c; When around Lufkin or Nacogdoches Texas on my Audiovox 9155GPX I could easily set it to Analog Only/Automatic A... This would *always* get me AT&T service - dispite the fact that SPCS is on B, and CDMA, and farther up the PRL. Now, the only downside of this is the "Analog Only" switch seems to only stay on for so long - 15 minutes or so. Generally this is long enough for me to make my way through Sprint's unusable fringe area exploting AT&T's much more complete buildout. SPCS is on Analog B side? > > >cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > > >down most likely...MB [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > me to make my way through Sprint's unusable fringe area exploting AT&T's > much more complete buildout. > cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > down most likely...MB Digital could be saturated due to capacity, but if you forced your phone to analog, you might be able to make or recieve a call. Tom Veldhouse As I said, during blackout switching to analog didn't do anyhting except for loosing two-way SMS that worked in digital. "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in article <3f4a1e92$0$155$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>: > > cliTus, IF the system is down both "analogue" and digital will both be > > down most likely...MB [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Tom Veldhouse > As I said, during blackout switching to analog didn't do anyhting except > for loosing two-way SMS that worked in digital. Presumably because the analog system was overloaded as well. In general though, it could be very true that you get an analog signal when the digital bands are overloaded. Tom Veldhouse If your getting the hi-lo busy tones (system busy) switching back and forth will do nothing. MB "Thomas T. Veldhouse" <veldy71@yahoo.com> wrote in article <3f4a47ce$0$175$a1866201@newsreader.visi.com>: > > As I said, during blackout switching to analog didn't do anyhting except > > for loosing two-way SMS that worked in digital. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Tom Veldhouse > If your getting the hi-lo busy tones (system busy) switching back and > forth will do nothing. MB Assuming the same provider (and thus the same phone lines). However, if you switch to a different analog provider (say Verizon CDMA, but AT&T AMPS) they you may very well get a usable signal. Tom Veldhouse cletis, YOU ARE WRONG... (AGAIN) Get Lost, Grow up fuckCCCC1@1CCCC.cum (Cletis Perkins) wrote in article <vkj4qobm73o931@corp.supernews.com>: > do not listen to the f.ck, of course u need analogue service in NYC, so > when the fucken digital sh.t is down, you can still fucken force you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] like hell I am mother f.cker, I am correct, you are wrong again you monkey f.cking chode. Cletis. X1XX@hotmail.com (CCCC1 1CCCC) wrote in article <vkl06drr2ferdd@corp.supernews.com>: > cletis, YOU ARE WRONG... (AGAIN) Get Lost, Grow up > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] > do not listen to the f.ck, of course u need analogue service in NYC, so > when the fucken digital sh.t is down, you can still fucken force you [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] Without all the cursing - I have to say that on 34th Street and 9th Avenue one Friday afternoon a few weeks ago, I could not get a digital signal but I got analog. Powering off and on did nothing. When I reached 7th Avenue and powered the phone down and then on again, I suddenly had a digital signal again. I've no idea what happened or why - but if I really needed it, I'd have been grateful for the analog. Louise We traveled up into the Adirondacks this early summer and stayed in a cabin for 2 day for a mini-vacation. Glad we had the 7868W Many times we stayed at analog! > I was looking at the new LG VX6000 and noticed it has no AMPS ability. With > Verizon is there any reason to need this for New York City? In my 6 years with VZW in and around NYC I never ever saw any of my previous phones switch to analog. Recently I've becamed so emboldened by this that fearlessly I switched to digital only A530 :) "Sharpie" <NOMAIL@NOMAIL.NOMAIL> wrote in article <hXf2b.48944$Sq.8188706@twister.nyc.rr.com>: > I was looking at the new LG VX6000 and noticed it has no AMPS ability. With > Verizon is there any reason to need this for New York City? AMPS does provide one thing, the ability to use the opposite side carrier when roaming. You can at least use the other carriers AMPS system if a Verizon tower isn't in available. > In my 6 years with VZW in and around NYC I never ever saw any of my > previous phones switch to analog. Recently I've becamed so emboldened by [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > [posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups] |
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