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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / October 2006Game anyone?
You guys are going to wonder what I did with my life before I started hanging around here. I just downloaded a really cool chess game for my LG VX8300. The only problem is I have no idea how to install it. I downloaded the .jar file, transferred it to the "dnload" folder on the phone, but nothing happens. No instructions either from the program's site or (of course) in the 8300 manual. Anyone know what to do here? THanks, Angelo > You guys are going to wonder what I did with my life before I started > hanging around here. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Angelo You mean you downloaded a game other than from the VZW Get it Now..? Many games are not compatible for certain phones. A good place to start is the place where you downloaded the game from. If from Get it Now then call Verizon Technical Support and let them assist you in getting the game to work. From: http://getitnow.vzwshop.com/search_games.aspx?id=search_games&appSearchParentCat egoryId=247&appSearchCategoryId=219 or the instructions here: http://getitnow.vzwshop.com/index.aspx?id=games_how If you downloaded from any where else, I believe there are programs to upload to your phone, I keep seeing bitpim as one application but I am sure there are many more. You may want to search Howard's Forums. Elector >> You guys are going to wonder what I did with my life before I started >> hanging around here. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > upload to your phone, I keep seeing bitpim as one application but I am > sure there are many more. You may want to search Howard's Forums. I did use BitPim to get the program onto the phone, but I don't know what to do with it now that it's there. Angelo >> I just downloaded a really cool chess game for my LG VX8300. The only >> problem is I have no idea how to install it. I downloaded the .jar file, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> Anyone know what to do here? Yeah... > You mean you downloaded a game other than from the VZW Get it Now..? > Many games are not compatible for certain phones. A good place to start is > the place where you downloaded the game from. Don't bother. JAR files are associated with Java programs, and Verizon phones do not run Java. Their mobile apps are built on top of Qualcomm's BREW (get it? Brew? Java? heh, I'd never caught that pun before). Binary Runtime Environment for Windows. BREW apps are created by putting your code into a modified Windows DLL... totally different technology from Java. Java apps won't run on a BREW-enabled phone, period, end of story. Sorry. > If from Get it Now then call Verizon Technical Support and let them assist > you in getting the game to work. If the game was packaged in a JAR file, I'm 100% sure that it wasn't downloaded from Verizon. > If you downloaded from any where else, I believe there are programs to > upload to your phone, I keep seeing bitpim as one application but I am sure > there are many more. You may want to search Howard's Forums. Perhaps, but Java apps won't run on Verizon phones. If the app said it was for an LG VX8300, chances are that it's for VX8300s from a carrier that uses Java mobile apps. Sprint phones, for example, run Java and a Java mobile app would generally work fine on a Sprint phone. I am not sure whether or not Sprint sells the VX8300, thoguh.  SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > Perhaps, but Java apps won't run on Verizon phones. Is this a(nother) conscious effort by Verizon to limit installation of third-party applications? Are the majority of non-verizon apps out there written in (non-compatible) Java? And finally, are all non-VZW apps verboten on this phone (and all others used by Verizon)? If so I will shed bitter tears... > If the app said it was for an LG VX8300, chances are that it's for VX8300s > from a carrier that uses Java mobile apps. Sprint phones, for example, run > Java and a Java mobile app would generally work fine on a Sprint phone. I > am not sure whether or not Sprint sells the VX8300, thoguh. Well here's a dumb question from a complete non-programmer: does the VZW phone *only* work with that particular operating system/environment/whatever you call it? In other words, could one somehow re-educate the phone by either changing the operating system or adding Java capability on top of what's already there? >> Perhaps, but Java apps won't run on Verizon phones. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > on this phone (and all others used by Verizon)? If so I will shed bitter > tears... It depends on the carrier. Verizon and Alltel use BREW. Sprint, Cingular and T-Mobile use Java. As for non-VZW apps, I'm pretty sure you're limited to apps VZW sells. >> If the app said it was for an LG VX8300, chances are that it's for VX8300s >> from a carrier that uses Java mobile apps. Sprint phones, for example, run [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > either changing the operating system or adding Java capability on top of > what's already there? No. Joe Sixpack couldn't. LG could release a Java-enabled VX8300 for VZW, but they won't do it unless VZW asks them to, and VZW won't. BREW is by nature a more restrictive environment than Java Mobile Edition. Most carriers allow you to download anyone's Java apps to their phone; BREW isn't set up the same way. Even the process for becoming a developer of BREW apps is significantly more involved. (I've checked!) Sorry :( SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. What did you do with your life before you started hanging around here? :) -Frank > What did you do with your life before you started hanging around here? :) > > -Frank Frank-ly, very little. This is your phone, CHECKMATE! J/K, long day, hope it all works out.. Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I can't find anything on the net. Angelo > You guys are going to wonder what I did with my life before I started > hanging around here. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Angelo > Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I can't > find anything on the net. You're out of luck, in this case. Didn't you read my reply to you? SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I >> can't >> find anything on the net. > > You're out of luck, in this case. Didn't you read my reply to you? Sorry, I just read it 10 minutes ago. I must have missed it by clicking off the group and then not noticing next time I logged on that it was a new (to me) message. If you're right then I am out of luck. Too bad, it's a terrific program (at least in the desktop version). THanks for the info. > Too bad, it's a terrific program You would not be the first person that changed operating systems or hardware for the sake of an application. This has been going on since the computer was invented. Routine stuff. -Frank > You would not be the first person that changed operating systems or > hardware for the sake of an application. Well, Frank, see my other post in this thread. Is it possible to modify the 8300 to accept Java? or to change the OS? I'm not ready to change phone companies for this... Angelo >> You would not be the first person that changed operating systems or >> hardware for the sake of an application. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Angelo No, it's not possible. Much like you cannot modify a Ford to accept a Chevy drive shaft. They're just not made that way. -Frank > Much like you cannot modify a Ford to accept a Chevy drive shaft. They're > just not made that way. Very bad analogy, it's easy to modify a Ford to take a Chevy drive shaft. >> Much like you cannot modify a Ford to accept a Chevy drive shaft. They're >> just not made that way. > > Very bad analogy, it's easy to modify a Ford to take a Chevy drive shaft. And computers can use different operating systems as well. The fact that the Sprint version of the 8300 uses Java, and the Verizon version uses Brew suggests it can be done. It might require some hardware modifications, but it is not impossible. >>> Much like you cannot modify a Ford to accept a Chevy drive shaft. >>> They're [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Brew suggests it can be done. It might require some hardware > modifications, but it is not impossible. Nothing is impossible. Where have I heard that before. Go for it :) You know, that reminds me of a story. I am a commercial pilot and gave flight instruction for about 10 years. One of the duties of a flight instructor is to recognize when the student pilot really just doesn't poses the attributes to be a pilot. Instructor pilots are charged with making this decision, by law. I had one student that fit into that category. She was very fidgety and very nervous in about everything she did, not just flying. I told her the sad truth. She went with another instructor who accepted her. She crashed an airplane shortly after she soloed. She used to tell me... Everything is possible if you want it bad enough. Alrighty then! -Frank >> Much like you cannot modify a Ford to accept a Chevy drive shaft. They're >> just not made that way. > > Very bad analogy, it's easy to modify a Ford to take a Chevy drive shaft. Well good. Then I'm glad you can do it. Have fun. -Frank >> Too bad, it's a terrific program > > You would not be the first person that changed operating systems or hardware > for the sake of an application. Doing that, in this case, would require him to change carriers. The end-user doesn't decide what platform the phone's applications run on. The manufacturer and the carrier do. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > The end-user doesn't decide what platform the phone's applications run on. > The manufacturer and the carrier do. You mean the carrier. If the owners of this consumer-level programming language deliberately sought to restrict access to applications sold by one company, it would be a first to my knowledge. Let's face it, "Brew" would either have to exist solely for one or a few proprietary customers (eg Verizon), or it would have to compete with Java in the software marketplace. If the latter, guess who would win? Imagine for a moment that Microsoft only allowed its own software products to run under its operating system. Pretty soon everyone would own a Mac or Linux machine. As for the phone manufacturers, I'm surprised they have not banded together and refused demands from companies like Verizon to hamstring their equipment. Were that to happen, there would be real competition among equipment and software developers, and we would all benefit. This situation reminds me of John D. Rockefeller forcing railroads to charge more to his competitors, and then give him a cut. I've said it before: Verizon follows an antiquated business model that can only exist in this day and age with some sort of government franchise. At some point in my lifetime (I'm 52) the US will be blanketed with some sort of wireless technology, after which all the cell companies will be out of business. Angelo >> The end-user doesn't decide what platform the phone's applications run on. >> The manufacturer and the carrier do. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Verizon), or it would have to compete with Java in the software marketplace. > If the latter, guess who would win? Yes, it's primarily the carrier. > As for the phone manufacturers, I'm surprised they have not banded together > and refused demands from companies like Verizon to hamstring their > equipment. Explain to me why they should care? SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> As for the phone manufacturers, I'm surprised they have not banded >> together >> and refused demands from companies like Verizon to hamstring their >> equipment. > > Explain to me why they should care? Because business people are competitive by nature. They believe in their products, and if not then they believe in their sales and marketing to pull them ahead of their competitors. Open-platform, non-proprietary phones and software mean they can compete against each other, rather than hinge their fates on the phone companies slugging it out. It's as if the ketchup companies decided only to sell their product in certain fast food restaurants or supermarkets. Sure, once they had their "customers" (the outlets) their piece of the pie would be guaranteed. But they'd miss out on the chance to be the next Heinz. Look at the PC business. In a mere 22 years it has become the poster-child of open architecture, interoperability, and industry-wide technical standards. Think about the USB port and USB devices; bluetooth, 802.11-xx wireless networking, and the major operating systems. The result has been incredible revenue growth for the manufacturers and software companies, and unbelievable value to consumers. The same incentives are their for the wireless business. The complicating factor, I believe, is infrastructure -- all those towers, repeaters, satellites, etc. Somehow they must recoup their investment. Unfortunately, by the time they do they will be obsolete, thank goodness. adp >>> As for the phone manufacturers, I'm surprised they have not banded >>> together [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > software mean they can compete against each other, rather than hinge their > fates on the phone companies slugging it out. Right. Well, consider that yes, we consumers are customers of the handset manufacturers, but do you really think they sell more phones to consumers than to the carriers? The carriers pay their bills. Much more so than individuals. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> Because business people are competitive by nature. They believe in their >> products, and if not then they believe in their sales and marketing to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > The carriers pay their bills. Much more so than individuals. We are customers -- captive customers -- of the wireless companies. For some quirky reason that is how this business evolved. It's as if every automobile company's products only worked with one brand of gasoline. Very strange. By the way, here is the note I got from LG Customer Service today. Tell me the equipment manufacturers have not been totally emasculated: **** Dear Customer, Thank you for inquiring of LG Electronics. Due to contract negotiations between LG and your service provider, we are unable to provide support for downloading games, ringtones, wallpapers, or pictures between your phone and PC. These are features that are offered and supported by your service provider. For further assistance with your request, you will need to contact your service provider. Please feel free to contact us with any additional questions or concerns. Thank you again for contacting LG Electronics. Kristi E-mail Administrator Customer Interactive Center LGEAI *** In other words, they are forbidden by their contract with Verizon from providing customer service and tech support for their own products. Very strange indeed. Angelo > We are customers -- captive customers -- of the wireless companies. For some > quirky reason that is how this business evolved. It's as if every automobile > company's products only worked with one brand of gasoline. Very strange. I'd argue with the "captive" bit. You're not required to carry a phone. We're "captives" in that we often only have one choice for decent coverage in our particular parts of the world. > By the way, here is the note I got from LG Customer Service today. Tell me > the equipment manufacturers have not been totally emasculated: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > your phone and PC. These are features that are offered and supported by your > service provider. But they can't really provide decent support. They don't have access to the carrier's networks. That's like asking Microsoft for support for Windows. They will be able to offer support for many aspects of Windows, but if the problem ends up being a hardware problem, they aren't going to be able to fix it. They didn't build the computer and don't know anything about it; you'd need to call your computer manufacturer or authorized repair facility for support with the hardware. > In other words, they are forbidden by their contract with Verizon from > providing customer service and tech support for their own products. Very > strange indeed. Well, no. In two weeks I will have concluded my 10th year of providing tech support to my own clients (about six years out of the ten) and to clients of companies I work for, like the company I work for now. So I speak from experience here. Sometimes you can't offer support for a certain problem, and it isn't due to any contractual obligations. A client at my current workplace once complained to us because some random third-party software wasn't working. We are this company's outsourced IT staff, so she called us. Problem was, we knew nothing about the program, they'd set it up without our knowledge, and we'd never touched the program before. Expecting us to support that program was ridiculous. You want LG to offer support for the phone's operations on Verizon's network. That's unreasonable. LG has no control over VZW's network. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> By the way, here is the note I got from LG Customer Service today. Tell >> me [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> your >> service provider. >> In other words, they are forbidden by their contract with Verizon from >> providing customer service and tech support for their own products. Very >> strange indeed. > > Well, no. > Sometimes you can't offer support for a certain problem, and it isn't due > to [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > network. > That's unreasonable. LG has no control over VZW's network. Sorry but you're misreading this, and with all due respect to your experience, you are wrong. Your analogies and comaparisons are wrong, too. LG told me straight out that their contract w/ Verizon bars them from explaining anything about "downloading games," etc. between a PC and the phone. But curiously I did not ask them that question. I did not ask, for example, why Shredder Mobile doesn't work on my machine. My question went along the lines of, "using the phone alone, how do I find a particular file on its file system?" I thought that perhaps there might be a secret menu (like the hidden WAP settings menu) that might have an "install" or "open" or "activate" feature that would install the game. My question was about *their* phone, and how it operates, not about ShredderMobile. If they had told me it was a software problem, and that I should go to QualComm or whoever the software provider is, I really could not complain about it. (But you could be sure within a few days I'd be complaining about them :) ) What irks me about this entire stupid incident is that I have a piece of equipment worth hundreds of dollars, which I paid for in full (many times over) by agreeing to pay Verizon $2600 over the next two years. This blasted phone is MINE. Normal business practices dicatate that the phone does not belong to Verizon, Qualcom, or LG. I did not agree to any encumbrances, limitations, or ground rules for using it. Nobody from Verizon asked me to "stay on the line and agree to terms and conditions," as landline phone companies used to do when you switched providers. THE PHONE BELONGS TO ME. As such I have the right to use, misuse, abuse, exploit, or otherwise interact with any and all components of this phone in any way I choose, provided I do not break the law, or my agreement with VZW. Of course LG, Verizon, Qualcom, etc. can conspire to anti-competitive practices and decide to support only those features they deign I should know about. It's their right. I do not have to buy their phone or use their service. Caveat emptor and all that. However, business practices such as these SUCK. They cannot exist except in some sort of protected, anti-competitive market. I'm relatively new to cell phones. I've owned maybe 3 of them my entire life. I've purchased dozens of computers for work and home. I guess I'm spoiled by the openness of that industry. Thanks for your comments though... Angelo > LG told me straight out that their contract... No. Some support person told you this. His/her words are probably not legally correct. But he got his point across enough to get you off the line and quit wasting his time. My opinion. -Frank >> LG told me straight out that their contract... > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > -Frank 1. It was an email, not a phone conversation. I will gladly forward it to you in its entirety if you want. 2. The message was obviously a boilerplate, cut and pasted to get me off this ludicrous idea that I own my phone and I have the right to do with it what I please. I say this because it a. read like one b. was not really on-topic c. the typical customer service rep can't string six words together. 3. Had the rep composed this response herself, she would simply have said they do not support what I was trying to do. In any event it would have been 2 sentences instead of 7. > >> As for the phone manufacturers, I'm surprised they have not banded > >> together [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > software mean they can compete against each other, rather than hinge their > fates on the phone companies slugging it out. But that's what they do because they believe they will win. > It's as if the ketchup companies decided only to sell their product in > certain fast food restaurants or supermarkets. Sure, once they had their [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > adp Signaturetrippy mhm31x9 Smeeter#29 WSD#30 sTaRShInE_mOOnBeAm aT HoTmAil dOt CoM NP: "The Weapon And The Wound" -- Days Of The New "Now, technology's getting better all the time and that's fine, but most of the time all you need is a stick of gum, a pocketknife, and a smile." -- Robert Redford "Spy Game" >>> Too bad, it's a terrific program >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The end-user doesn't decide what platform the phone's applications run on. > The manufacturer and the carrier do. Semantics. The carrier tells the hardware vendor what capabilities to build into the phone for their network. To include OS/Menu structure and application capabilities. Either way, changing OS/hardware is a good analogy and applies equally to wireless carriers. Just semantics. Not sure why you seem to be deviating from the intent of the original post just to make this point. If the OP chagned hardware to a phone that supported java, he'd have to change carriers in this case. Because VZW doens't do java. -Frank > If the OP chagned hardware to a phone that supported java, he'd have to > change carriers in this case. Because VZW doens't do java. > > -Frank BTW, I just got several emails from the chess app programmer, a German fellow. He was quite surprised to hear that VZW phones did not use Java. Here is what he wrote: "But are you sure that your phone doesn't support Java? Nowadays (almost) all phones do that." Indeed. > BTW, I just got several emails from the chess app programmer, a German > fellow. He was quite surprised to hear that VZW phones did not use Java. > Here is what he wrote: "But are you sure that your phone doesn't support > Java? Nowadays (almost) all phones do that." Yes, almost all phones do. No, VZW doesn't. Java Mobile Edition has much more of a stranglehold on the market than BREW. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> The end-user doesn't decide what platform the phone's applications run on. >> The manufacturer and the carrier do. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > point. If the OP chagned hardware to a phone that supported java, he'd have > to change carriers in this case. Because VZW doens't do java. Uhhh, that's what I've been saying, and it's not deviating from the original point of the thread. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. BREW 2005: Verizon Wireless puts up the numbers Carrier indicates mobile games are growing more important to its 46 million subscribers. By Steve Palley, GameSpot Posted Jun 3, 2005 12:09 pm PT SAN DIEGO--At the BREW 2005 mobile conference on Thursday, Verizon Wireless chief marketing officer John Stratton used his general session speech as a bully pulpit to laud his company's market-leading mobile content division--and to stress that mobile games remain a top Verizon priority going forward. Stratton noted that Verizon added the largest number of new subscribers in 2004 among North American carriers, clocking in at 6.2 million fresh customers. Stratton went on to explain that the carrier was very satisfied not only with the quantitative growth of its customer base, but also with its increasing interest in mobile data services. According to Verizon's numbers, approximately 18 million of its 46 million subscribers are active users of mobile data--a number that points to Verizon's strong positioning in mobile's growth area. "The average price of a voice minute has dropped precipitously," explained Stratton, "so we'll need to get our revenue growth from our existing customers through data services." Stratton mentioned that text messaging and mobile instant messaging were two success stories in mobile data. Verizon presently averages about 1.5 billion TXTs a month, and its IM service is expected to generate around $100 million by the end of 2005. Stratton rounded off his presentation by highlighting mobile gaming's importance to Verizon's data strategy. "We believe that broadband wireless will do exactly what it did for desktop PCs," said Stratton, in a reference to Verizon's new V CAST service. Stratton indicated that rich, network-intensive mobile games will continue to drive uptake of broadband service, although the mobile games industry must work to provide the right kind of games to the right people. He pointed out the underdevelopment of the market for female mobile gamers as an example. Stratton's comments were complemented by Verizon Wireless' release of some very positive statistics relating to mobile gaming. According to the company's numbers, customers have downloaded more than 50 million mobile games since the advent of the Get It Now retail service in September of 2002. Get It Now is presently available on 26 million handsets, which is double the number from a year ago. Of Get It Now's many sections, which include areas for ringtones, wallpapers, and messaging, getGAMES has remained the most popular, with 3D games "in the best position to skyrocket in coming months," said Verizon. Verizon also released a comprehensive listing of the most popular mobile games on Get It Now, in total and by category. Jamdat Mobile's games currently occupy five of the top 10 best-selling mobile games, with its newly acquired mobile version of Tetris holding down the number one slot. Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man by Namco, Frogger by Konami Digital Entertainment, Driver 3 by Glu, and Phil Hellmuth's Texas Hold 'Em by Summus also have spots on the list. > Jamdat Mobile's games > currently occupy five of the top 10 best-selling mobile games, with > its newly acquired mobile version of Tetris holding down the number > one slot. Pac-Man and Ms. Pac-Man by Namco, Frogger by Konami Digital > Entertainment, Driver 3 by Glu, and Phil Hellmuth's Texas Hold 'Em by > Summus also have spots on the list. Small minds ARE easily amused......(c; >>Jamdat Mobile's games >>currently occupy five of the top 10 best-selling mobile games, with [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Small minds ARE easily amused......(c; Jamdat's Tetris and some version of Pac-Man came preinstalled on my RAZR V3m, but I have to pay to activate the license. I'll just leave them alone for a while. The 99¢ a day unlimited Mobile Web is great when I need to check the weather radar and I'm away from a computer. That's an Easy Pay advantage that I use. At work, VZW is the official wireless carrier. Even in the tavern I'm in right now, they seem to be the unofficial carrier. SignatureCurtis R. Anderson, Co-creator of "Gleepy the Hen", still "In Heaven there is no beer / That's why we drink it here ..." http://www.gleepy.net/ ICQ: 50137888 mailto:gleepy@gleepy.net (and others) Yahoo!: gleepythehen >> Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I >> can't >> find anything on the net. > > You're out of luck, in this case. Didn't you read my reply to you? Are you sure about that? I just read this on wikipedia (I know, take it with a grain [pound?] of salt ;-): "For software people, it is a complete set of APIs that enables software development and applications in C, C++ and Java and is supported (platform) by an ASIC." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW >>> Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I >>> can't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW OK, this article confirms my suspicions. So the question is, why can't a phone contain the capability for both BREW and Java? Is there something missing in a BREW enabled phone's operating system? Can all the ingredients for running Java simply be transferred to a VZW phone? It seems to this profoundly programming-ignorant person that this problem is sort of like having a proprietary video player pre-installed on your computer, which is capable of playing only one type of video file. So you download WMP and RealPlayer and suddenly you can play everything. Or am I over-simplifying this problem? I would very much like to hear from experts on this suggestion. >>>>Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I >>>>can't [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > I would very much like to hear from experts on this suggestion. Unfortunately, that IS oversimplifying. As you admit, you are "programming-ignorant", and unless you rectify that, you are missing the significance of: "For software people, it is a complete set of APIs that enables software development and applications in C, C++ and Java and is supported (platform) by an ASIC." Mastering that programming environment probably requires some 100's of hours of study and application, as well as monetary investment in the software tools and certifications as mentioned in the lengthy articles you have posted here in the last day or 2 - you should read them more closely. It would also be more appropriate netiquette to post only a summary (that would require that close reading though...), and provide a link - probably that would be proper respect for the likely copyright, too. See my response to Ron's posting about the wikipedia article for more thoughts on this. My advice is to get a PDA for a portable entertainment device DESIGNED to be user-tailored with add-ons. I love my Palm Zire 72 (and 71 before that) for that purpose (like playing Scrabble on it), and keep my phone pretty much reserved for communications (altho quick checks on weather radar, sports scores, and my Gmail once in a great while are worth my $5/mo for Mobile Web, but the small screen format does not entice me to do anything of that sort on a protracted basis ;-) ROC >>>Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I >>>can't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW Err, that DOES say "software people", as in programmers. There is a huge difference between developing (writing) software (programs), and installing it (I've done both ;-) The point is that BREW is meant to provide a tightly controlled environment to let carriers use it as a "revenue enhancement" mechanism, NOT as an end-user facility. However, there are "underground" tools leaked from the development arena that enable programming oriented end-users to modify the phone software to some degree. "Diego" for Nokia and Motorola Phone Tools (? - from memory) come to mind. Search on Howard Forums for references to those, and you will find a whole hacker subculture at work (as in tinkering, not "cracking" type hacking ;-). And one thing I have picked up from some of those discussions, is that anyone using those tools better be ready for the possibility of toasting their cell phone - not for casual dabbling. The main reason I have not bothered to dabble in java-enabling my Nokia - not worth the risk/trouble to me. I can make calls, and get my text message pages from work - the object of the device for me. It may be "my" phone, but it is useless without Verizon's network and support (such as that is...). I use a PDA for games (love my Scrabble moments ;-), pictures, MP3's, and keeping organized on a screen that makes it MUCH easier to see those kinds of things; and if the battery runs down, I am not incommunicado. ROC >>> Doesn't anyone know how to install 3rd-party games to the VX 8300? I >>> can't [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BREW When I actually was interested in developing BREW app, it was C/C++ only. Doesn't matter, at any rate. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Apple Valley, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. |
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