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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / November 2006Death knell for traditional cellular service?
It may be time to purchase stock in one of the VOIP companies if the story in this link is true: http://www.mercola.com/2005/sep/6/death_of_conventional_american_cell_phone_syst em.htm Looks like some sort of long-range, continuous VOIP implementation is on the way. Once that happens you can kiss the cell companies goodbye. Angelo Finding the keyboard operational Ange1o DePa1ma entered: > It may be time to purchase stock in one of the VOIP companies if the > story in this link is true: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Angelo Why does Dr. Mercola need my email address?  Signature-- Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times www.moondoggiecoffee.com >Finding the keyboard operational > Ange1o DePa1ma entered: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times >www.moondoggiecoffee.com same question. 73, rich, n9dko >>Finding the keyboard operational >>Ange1o DePa1ma entered: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > 73, > rich, n9dko Me three! SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life >Finding the keyboard operational > Ange1o DePa1ma entered: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Why does Dr. Mercola need my email address? Just give it a properly formatted bogus one. >>Finding the keyboard operational >> Ange1o DePa1ma entered: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > Just give it a properly formatted bogus one. I just opened the site the second time to use a bogus address and it didn't ask for one. Don in Tracy, Calif. > Finding the keyboard operational > Ange1o DePa1ma entered: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Why does Dr. Mercola need my email address? I entered no-one@nowhere.com. It opened up the full story for me. > It may be time to purchase stock in one of the VOIP companies if the story > in this link is true: [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Angelo Talk about total clueless overhype. They describe hybrid handsets (which aren't new) which would work with both WiFi and cellular system and then offer this: "Just as many people dropped their land lines, nearly everyone will be dropping their cell phone carriers. The reason? Rock bottom prices. No longer will you pay over $100 a month for your cell phone. You will pay $25 for your home AND cell phone for UNLIMITED use. Also remember that you avoid paying taxes or hidden fees. Just $25 a month." > "Just as many people dropped their land lines, nearly everyone will be > dropping their cell phone carriers. The reason? Rock bottom prices. No > longer will you pay over $100 a month for your cell phone. You will pay > $25 for your home AND cell phone for UNLIMITED use. Also remember that > you avoid paying taxes or hidden fees. Just $25 a month." I've had cell phones since 1995. Never paid anywhere near $100 a month. AFAIK, one needs a broadband connection from someplace for that system to work. Where does the broadband come from? Sorry, I didn't feel like fooling with email addresses on the site. So I didn't read it. SignatureJanet Wilder Bad spelling. Bad punctuation Good Friends. Good Life > Talk about total clueless overhype. They describe hybrid handsets (which > aren't new) which would work with both WiFi and cellular system and then [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > $25 for your home AND cell phone for UNLIMITED use. Also remember that > you avoid paying taxes or hidden fees. Just $25 a month." Don't discount the facts. T-Mobile is investing in just such a roaming technology. What should be discounted is the conclusion that traditional wireless is going to suffer from this. That I am quite sure will not be the case. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 I suspect you are much younger than I or were not paying attention to what has happened in telecom over the past 20 years. When I first moved to semi-rural NJ my phone bills were $500-600 a month. Now they're under $40. AT&T was too large to fail -- where is it now? I believe Verizon will be around in 20 years because they're investing in fiber optics, but I guarantee their phone service (landline and otherwise) will eventually shrivel up and become a minor entry in their bottom line. There is no point having a crippled cell phone for $69 a month when you can have unlimited worldwide phone service for much less. Verizon can't stop progress. As my father in law has been saying for several years, telephone service will eventually be free or nearly so, like tap water at Yankee Stadium. >> Talk about total clueless overhype. They describe hybrid handsets (which >> aren't new) which would work with both WiFi and cellular system and then [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > the > case. > I suspect you are much younger than I or were not paying attention to what > has happened in telecom over the past 20 years. When I first moved to > semi-rural NJ my phone bills were $500-600 a month. Now they're under $40. > AT&T was too large to fail -- where is it now? Back again. SBC was already the largest telco of the Baby Bells, and if they end up buying BellSOUTH, they'll be even bigger. Before accusing someone else of not paying attention to the industry, you need to remember that the FCC is the ILECs' lapdog. > I believe Verizon will be around in 20 years because they're investing in > fiber optics So, supposedly, is The New at&t. > There is no point having a crippled cell phone for $69 a month when you can > have unlimited worldwide phone service for much less. Name anyone, telco or otherwise, who is offering that. I now have a landline from my cable company - it's not VoIP, it's POTS over fiber instead of POTS over copper. I get free unlimited domestic calls and can pay a small monthly fee to get unlimited calls to Mexico and Canada, but worldwide? Nuh-uh. I think I do understand where you were going with this post, and I agree to a certain extent, but things can't slide much further... and the telcos are only doing the commodity pricing because they have to. As they grow and re-form one or two big phone companies, they're going to offer less and less. Verizon is mostly clueless, but SBC is evil... they were still trying to screw people five or six years ago, and it will only get worse. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> I suspect you are much younger than I or were not paying attention to >> what [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > but > worldwide? Nuh-uh. POTS simply doesn't work over fiber. Sorry. POTS provides power from central. Fiber does not. >> I now have a landline from my cable company - it's not VoIP, it's POTS >> over [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > POTS simply doesn't work over fiber. Sorry. POTS provides power from > central. Fiber does not. Sure it does. In the case of FiOS they install a media converter (can't remember the name they use) at the demarc point. It has an F connector for CATV, a RJ-45 for Ethernet and a RJ-11 for POTS. You plug that into your existing phone circuit and all of your POTS equipment works as usual. In this case battery comes from the media converter. > Sure it does. In the case of FiOS they install a media converter (can't > remember the name they use) at the demarc point. It has an F connector > for CATV, a RJ-45 for Ethernet and a RJ-11 for POTS. You plug that into > your existing phone circuit and all of your POTS equipment works as > usual. In this case battery comes from the media converter. OUCH! I can attest to the battery on the TV cable for telephone service! There's 80+ volts across my coax because the guy who installed it forgot to pull the jumper across the decoupling capacitor in the post outside. I know it's there because I GOT BIT!....(c; It's POTS in the house...but VoIP very soon... Larry SignatureI sure hope Halloween comes real soon.... I've run out of Halloween candy THREE TIMES SO FAR! >> I now have a landline from my cable company - it's not VoIP, it's POTS >> over [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > POTS simply doesn't work over fiber. Sorry. POTS provides power from > central. Fiber does not. It's not VoIP. My existing physical phone wiring connects to a "telephony modem" which connects to the cable company's fiber plant. It's still POTS as far as I'm concerned. It can't really be considered anything else, although POTS may not be an accurate name for the service that is being provided. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > Before accusing someone else of not paying attention to the industry, you > need to remember that the FCC is the ILECs' lapdog. True enough, but the feds have pretty much kept their hands off new telecom technologies. Half the cost of my Sprint land line is taken up with taxes and mysterious fees. My Lingo phone costs me $21 a month, period, end of story. If you don't believe telephony will be free or nearly so, there's a new service now, FuturePhone (www.futurephone.com), which allows you to call anywhere in the world simply by dialing into a number in Indiana. Ergo, use your Verizon minutes -- including free night and weekend minutes -- to dial in to FuturePhone, and when prompted enter any phone number for anyone, anywhere in the world. It's completely free (I haven't tried it yet). >> I believe Verizon will be around in 20 years because they're investing in >> fiber optics > > So, supposedly, is The New at&t. New wireless technology might even make FIOS obsolete. It's a fast-changing world, my friend. >> There is no point having a crippled cell phone for $69 a month when you >> can >> have unlimited worldwide phone service for much less. > > Name anyone, telco or otherwise, who is offering that. We are beginning to see that. My VOIP service gives me unlimited calls to North America and 20 European countries for a flat $21 a month. Call quality is SUPERB. Skype allows you to call any Skype user worldwide for free, and almost anywhere else for much less than any phone company -- and without taxes or fees. And the quality is even better than for VOIP or traditional phones. It's not quite the Nirvana that Larry envisions unfolding some time next week, but we're about halfway there. We have the technology to provide free or almost free phone calls, companies willing to provide those services, and billions of people waiting to take advantage of it. I don't think U.S. consumers will stand for the kind of regulation that stifled innovation until the AT&T breakup, or which keeps us 5 years behind Europe and Asia with mobile phone service. > It's not quite the Nirvana that Larry envisions unfolding some time next > week, but we're about halfway there. We have the technology to provide free [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > until the AT&T breakup, or which keeps us 5 years behind Europe and Asia > with mobile phone service. I'll agree with that, but I am too pessimistic to believe that the ILECs won't attempt to regulate currently-unregulated technologies to skew the market in their favor. I've dealt with the telcos many times since I started my IT career as an ISP techie eleven years ago. I don't trust them. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >> It's not quite the Nirvana that Larry envisions unfolding some time next >> week, but we're about halfway there. We have the technology to provide [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > career > as an ISP techie eleven years ago. I don't trust them. Sure they'll try. Just as the cable companies are going to claim movies on demand by FIOS cause cancer. Politicians will get up and scream about losing tax revenues. And current ISPs will claim some unwritten "license" (even as they see their per-customer revenues erode). The problem is this technology is approaching from every direction. VOIP is already here. Skype is already free. It would require a truly concerted -- not to mention Machiavelian -- approach to squelch this stuff Who the heck is ILEC by the way? > Who the heck is ILEC by the way? Incumbent Local Exchange Carrier - the company providing phone service before there was any competition. Cf. CLEC, Competitive Local Exchange Carrier. Most, but not all, ILECs are also RBOCs or were at one point - Regional Bell Operating Companies, companies formed by the breakup of the original AT&T. But there are a large number of carriers that aren't, most notably Sprint which, before shedding their landline business, was the ILEC in much of Florida as well as in Las Vegas. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > >> Who the heck is ILEC by the way? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Sprint which, before shedding their landline business, was the ILEC in much > of Florida as well as in Las Vegas. Why don't I remember that about Sprint? The places I lived in Florida were all Bellsouth, while I could have sworn that Las Vegas was Pacific Bell territory. Dennis Ferguson > Why don't I remember that about Sprint? The places I lived in > Florida were all Bellsouth, while I could have sworn that Las Vegas > was Pacific Bell territory. As I understand it, the rest of Nevada was PacBell/NevBell/SBC/at&T and Vegas was Sprint, except now that Sprint is out of the landline business Vegas is controlled by Embarq (the landline co. they spun off) A large chunk of Florida is Bellsouth. A significant portion of central Florida, however, was United Telephone/Sprint IIRC. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. >A large chunk of Florida is Bellsouth. A significant portion of central >Florida, however, was United Telephone/Sprint IIRC. Is that the same part that used to be GTE (basically the 813 and 727 area codes)? >>A large chunk of Florida is Bellsouth. A significant portion of central >>Florida, however, was United Telephone/Sprint IIRC. > > Is that the same part that used to be GTE (basically the 813 and 727 > area codes)? Might be, or might not be. :) Google for "United Telephone of Florida" - that may help you find the answer. I don't have it. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > I'll agree with that, but I am too pessimistic to believe that the > ILECs won't attempt to regulate currently-unregulated technologies to > skew the market in their favor. I've dealt with the telcos many times > since I started my IT career as an ISP techie eleven years ago. I > don't trust them. That's going to be quite a task. Skype is in LUXEMBOURGH to avoid the tax bureaucrats in England. I'd think the Luxembourgh government would take a dim view of American bureaucrats harassing their country's companies....who have NO PRESENCE in America to seize or threaten. What are they gonna do, cut off the Benelux countries from the net? Ha! The IRS and FCC are NOT omnipotent! Larry SignatureI'm manning the talking pumpkin, tonight, same as every Halloween. Most kids never talked to a pumpkin with a candle in it, before. (Radio Shack little intercom makes it easier to hear them, this year.) When he brings back his friends, the stupid pumpkin says nothing. Pumpkins can't talk, you know....(c; If he/she comes to the door and says the pumpkin talked to him/her, he/she gets a golden dollar coin, instead of the > That's going to be quite a task. Skype is in LUXEMBOURGH So it's not a problem for them. There are still plenty of mainstream VoIP providers that are headquartered here. SignatureSteve Sobol, Professional Geek ** Java/VB/VC/PHP/Perl ** Linux/*BSD/Windows Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED It's all fun and games until someone starts a bonfire in the living room. > It may be time to purchase stock in one of the VOIP companies if the story > in this link is true: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Looks like some sort of long-range, continuous VOIP implementation is on the > way. Once that happens you can kiss the cell companies goodbye. I doubt it, as there will almost certainly never be wireless coverage out in the sticks. They are just offering the ability to "roam" onto the Internet via a usable wireless connection. SignatureThomas T. Veldhouse Key Fingerprint: D281 77A5 63EE 82C5 5E68 00E4 7868 0ADC 4EFB 39F0 |
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