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zwxphtt@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2006 17:47 GMT
I'm trying to get some Air Cards working with XP. I have no problems
since I'm an admin but my users are all Power Users they cannot see any
modems in the dialog block where you select Connect to
..has anyone else experienced this.
Zwx
Nessnet - 13 Nov 2006 19:03 GMT
Look in Admin tools / computer management / services
Look at services like telephony, etc.

If services are disabled that have this exact effect.

> I'm trying to get some Air Cards working with XP. I have no problems
> since I'm an admin but my users are all Power Users they cannot see any
> modems in the dialog block where you select Connect to
> ..has anyone else experienced this.
> Zwx
zwxphtt@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2006 19:16 GMT
No, their services are controlled by policy from the server..Telephony
is an automatic start for everyone here. Telephony is RPC dependent so
its okay. It appears to be some sort of hardware dependent thing..since
if they log in and I do a runas then the items are selectable in the
connect dialog box. Something is limiting them as power users from
firing it off

> Look in Admin tools / computer management / services
> Look at services like telephony, etc.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> > ..has anyone else experienced this.
> > Zwx
Larry - 13 Nov 2006 19:41 GMT
zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163440072.261249.114040
@h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> I'm trying to get some Air Cards working with XP. I have no problems
> since I'm an admin but my users are all Power Users they cannot see any
> modems in the dialog block where you select Connect to
> ..has anyone else experienced this.
> Zwx

Aircards are controlled with that switching software you're forced to use
from Verizon to turn it on.  Tinkering with the OS they've taken over,
they turn off the Ethernet port, at least they did on ours, and only
allow you to switch between WiFi or Aircard to prevent you from doing any
kind of networking over the Aircard by plugging the laptop into your
Ethernet system....

I suspect modems have been also deleted by the Aircard software
installation of VZAccess Manager, which hijacked the notebooks I
installed it on.

Have you plugged your notebook into your Ethernet network since
installing VZAccess Manager?  Try it and see if it simply connects like
it always did.  They may have changed the hacking since the last install
I did for a lawyer who wanted mobile email, but also needed to connect to
a secure network in his office that was totally unconnected from the
internet for security reasons of his clients.  I had to reinstall WinXP
Pro to recover from the VZAccess Manager install and he returned the
aircard with some words you can't say on NBC...(c;  The Ethernet access
in Network was simply GONE!

Why would "power users" want an aircard, anyways?  The AUP for VZW's
internet strictly forbids any access other than email, webpages and a
company intranet.  No FTP, no streaming, no downloading or anything else
that uses BANDWIDTH....  In a little popup window to reduce what shows up
for the customers who are not curious enough to scroll it down into the
finer details on the internet webpages it says:

"UNLIMITED DATA PLANS AND FEATURES
Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess,
BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be
used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet
browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to
corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like
customer relationship management, sales force, and field service
automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for
any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without
limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or
streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or
host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera
posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine–to–machine
connections or peer–to–peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute
or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by
way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet,
downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets
is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services
and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is
prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one
hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited
uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a
month.

For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to
protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We
reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and
to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is
using an Unlimited Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or
whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using
more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the
service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to
immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We
also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer
Agreement term."

Any "power user" is going to blast away the 5GB/month limit, making him a
very bad boy, stuck with a dead Aircard they're not going to take back
just because they cut him off.  Notice the "hint" of using only 100-200
MB/month at the bottom of paragraph 1 above.

I love the part where it says "unlimited" in their ads for 5GB/month of
VERY LIMITED service.  And, don't get any crazy ideas about running Skype
over that Aircard to your overseas buddies, either!  That's the ULTIMATE
insult to a cellphone company...hee hee...(c;  Some might call
"unlimited" a "damn lie"!

Larry
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Nessnet - 13 Nov 2006 19:55 GMT
You don't have to use VZW access manager if you don't want.
Once drivers are installed, just a DUN will do.

The rest below is also 99% BS as well.

I have now seen >60 Aircard installs. Not ONE disabled either Ethernet
or modems.

Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have
any problems using the card for what it was intended.

> zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163440072.261249.114040
> @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 81 lines]
>
> Larry
Larry - 13 Nov 2006 23:37 GMT
> Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have
> any problems using the card for what it was intended.

But, Nessy, wouldn't it be lots more HONEST if the damned company posted,
right up front, not in the legalese bullshit, what the service they were
offering REALLY was?

Larry
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Steven J. Sobol - 14 Nov 2006 02:07 GMT
>> Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have
>> any problems using the card for what it was intended.
>
> But, Nessy, wouldn't it be lots more HONEST if the damned company posted,
> right up front, not in the legalese bullshit, what the service they were
> offering REALLY was?

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but your rant added nothing to
the thread and didn't actually answer the question.

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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 05:28 GMT
As I have stated multiple times, I also feel that "unlimited"
could be better defined. If there are hard limits, they need to be spelled
out in black and white.

On this, we don't disagree. Where we differ is in the 'delivery' of the message
and your contention that the service is totally unusable because of it...

>> Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have
>> any problems using the card for what it was intended.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Larry
Larry - 14 Nov 2006 16:00 GMT
"Nessnet" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in news:ac-
dncFYwrppzsTYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com:

> Where we differ is in the 'delivery' of the message
> and your contention that the service is totally unusable because of it...

Not at all.  My message is the service is just for email and looking at
spam-soaked webpages, not real internet service.  For instance, if you are
viewing this message on a Usenetserver.com or Giganews nntp account, you
are in VIOLATION of the agreement on the Aircard.  You cannot access
Usenet, unless you use html webpage access, to view this message, according
to Verizon Wireless' AUP.  I don't consider that internet service, at all.

Larry
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 16:34 GMT
"Not at all"...???

An example of your delivery - "spam soaked web pages"...
You always have to say something 'snarky'.
And totally inaccurate >90% of the time. Thus, my response(s).

More "snarky"... "Real Internet service" - gee, I use exactly that, each and every day.
Using an Aircard - I seem to have no problems. Most all folks seem to have no
problems. I (and many) get one hellof alot of work done every day, using the "real Internet".

Simply more Larry BS... what "you consider" is hardly normal. The exact opposite...
Normal isn't sucking a connection dry of every byte of connectivity - that is being a pig.
A bandwidth hog - and certainly IS considered abuse by most any ISP, not just VZW.

Splitting hairs is also a trademark of yours. The bottom line is that a user
could actually use an Aircard for whatever they want. No one at VZW is actually
looking at ports or packets. Just don't pin the connection up and abuse it
by being a bandwidth hog and no one at VZW will give a damn what you
are actually using it for.

The listed stuff in the AUP is known to be bandwidth intensive. Damn lawyers
got involved and wrote cover their a.s weasel language. Bottom line, VZW will NEVER
actually hassle anyone - unless they excessively use bandwidth.

> "Nessnet" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in news:ac-
> dncFYwrppzsTYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com:
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> Larry
zwxphtt@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2006 20:00 GMT
You know in the connect box..no connections show up in there as Power
User..if you're an admin they are in there..I don't believe its a
license problem..this is the government and these guys are just
checking email remotely..i'm sure they are nowhere near a 5 gig limit.
We update the firmware on all of these units (four) but before that
they were seeing the the wireless networks in the connection box. There
is some policy written in thier firmware that is stopping everyone but
admins from seeing those connections. I need a clue where to go to give
these weenies the rights...a line in the registry...a dll
file..something!!
Zwx

> zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163440072.261249.114040
> @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
> My calendar must be wrong....
> In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas!
Larry - 13 Nov 2006 23:37 GMT
zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163448030.259705.302540
@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:

> You know in the connect box..no connections show up in there as Power
> User..if you're an admin they are in there..I don't believe its a
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> file..something!!
> Zwx

Sorry, after installing Verizon Crapware x.1 I never did see the network,
other than the permitted wifi, until the restore.  I had admin privs on the
notebooks.  VZW Crapware has a switch...either our aircard OR your wifi.  
There was no third choice that would let me have ethernet connectivity
back....to prevent me from making the aircard some kind of slow connection
for the ethernet, if I wanted, I suspect.  It's all about CONTROL....

Larry
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 05:46 GMT
Then it WAS operator error. When installing Access Manager, you can easily
tell it to only manage WWAN - and problem solved. WiFi is then left completely
alone. (You can even run the wizard and do this after install...)

I can fire up a VZW connection while still connected to WiFi anytime I want.

You also seem to be missing the whole point of Access Manager.
While I don't like it or use it myself, the intent of the program is not
some evil plot for VZW iron hand control. It is meant for easy auto switching -
the program is supposed to automatically use WiFi when available and WWAN
when not.

Yes, it could be better, that's why I don't use it. But auto switching between them
was how it is meant to work.

"CONTROL" is not it.

> Sorry, after installing Verizon Crapware x.1 I never did see the network,
> other than the permitted wifi, until the restore.  I had admin privs on the
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>
> Larry
Larry - 14 Nov 2006 15:56 GMT
> I can fire up a VZW connection while still connected to WiFi anytime I
> want.

You must have a different Access Manager than I have.  The switch turned
off wifi in ours.

Larry
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 16:03 GMT
Nice snippage Larry.... let me say it again.

Then it WAS operator error. When installing Access Manager, you can easily
tell it to only manage WWAN - and problem solved. WiFi is then left completely
alone. (You can even run the wizard and do this after install...)

You also seem to be missing the whole point of Access Manager.
While I don't like it or use it myself, the intent of the program is not
some evil plot for VZW iron hand control. It is meant for easy auto switching -
the program is supposed to automatically use WiFi when available and WWAN
when not.

Yes, it could be better, that's why I don't use it. But auto switching between them
was how it is meant to work.

>> I can fire up a VZW connection while still connected to WiFi anytime I
>> want.
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> Larry
The Other Funk - 14 Nov 2006 21:38 GMT
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> Nice snippage Larry.... let me say it again.

Nessnet, You are aware that Larry is famous for out of context quoting,
pimping for SKYPE and running for his imaginery lawyer.
I am starting to believe that Larry is one of the most delusional conspiracy
theorist I have seen.
I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that others
know to get another opinion before acting.
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zwxphtt@gmail.com - 15 Nov 2006 16:04 GMT
Okay, let me break in one more time. First, my cabled network works
fine on these laptops when they are connected via cable to the network.
No problems with that..No IP problems..No login problems..Just no
network problems when connected via the Cat 5 cable.
You only see the NIC in the Network (Local Area Connection) in the
Network Connections applet. If you fire off VZ Access Manager version
5.4.0 or later, no connections show up in the connections, IF you're a
Power User, IF you're an admin everything works fine and you can
connect wirelessly to Verizon, then use VPN or whatever.
Comprenda??
Zwx

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> know to get another opinion before acting.
> Bob
Steven J. Sobol - 15 Nov 2006 19:53 GMT
> I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that others
> know to get another opinion before acting.

There already is:

From: Larry (noone@home.com)

Or sometimes

From: Larry W4CSC (noone@home.com)

although I haven't seen the second format in a while


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Meat Plow - 15 Nov 2006 20:08 GMT
>> I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that others
>> know to get another opinion before acting.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> although I haven't seen the second format in a while

Look up his ham callsign W4CSC at www.qrz.com

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Steven J. Sobol - 15 Nov 2006 22:58 GMT

> Look up his ham callsign W4CSC at www.qrz.com

There's no information there that interests me...

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The Other Funk - 15 Nov 2006 23:17 GMT
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Steven J. Sobol entered:

>> I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that
>> others know to get another opinion before acting.
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> although I haven't seen the second format in a while

I know how to filter him out. I am looking for a way to tag his posts so
that those who are not aware of his track record are warned that his posts
are for entertainment only and do not contain factual information.
Bob

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Steven J. Sobol - 16 Nov 2006 01:03 GMT

> I know how to filter him out. I am looking for a way to tag his posts so
> that those who are not aware of his track record are warned that his posts
> are for entertainment only and do not contain factual information.
> Bob

*You* can't.

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zwxphtt@gmail.com - 16 Nov 2006 12:19 GMT
Okay, I totally give up. You know one guy trolls then everyone spends
25 entries talking about how stupid the troll is and there is zero
information being passed around. Here's a clue..if you have no
constructive remarks..try just talking to yourself..or go bug the guy
in the next cube..sheesh
Zwx

> Finding the keyboard operational
>  Steven J. Sobol entered:
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> are for entertainment only and do not contain factual information.
> Bob
 
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