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zwxphtt@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2006 17:47 GMT I'm trying to get some Air Cards working with XP. I have no problems since I'm an admin but my users are all Power Users they cannot see any modems in the dialog block where you select Connect to ..has anyone else experienced this. Zwx
Nessnet - 13 Nov 2006 19:03 GMT Look in Admin tools / computer management / services Look at services like telephony, etc.
If services are disabled that have this exact effect.
> I'm trying to get some Air Cards working with XP. I have no problems > since I'm an admin but my users are all Power Users they cannot see any > modems in the dialog block where you select Connect to > ..has anyone else experienced this. > Zwx zwxphtt@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2006 19:16 GMT No, their services are controlled by policy from the server..Telephony is an automatic start for everyone here. Telephony is RPC dependent so its okay. It appears to be some sort of hardware dependent thing..since if they log in and I do a runas then the items are selectable in the connect dialog box. Something is limiting them as power users from firing it off
> Look in Admin tools / computer management / services > Look at services like telephony, etc. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ..has anyone else experienced this. > > Zwx Larry - 13 Nov 2006 19:41 GMT zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163440072.261249.114040 @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> I'm trying to get some Air Cards working with XP. I have no problems > since I'm an admin but my users are all Power Users they cannot see any > modems in the dialog block where you select Connect to > ..has anyone else experienced this. > Zwx Aircards are controlled with that switching software you're forced to use from Verizon to turn it on. Tinkering with the OS they've taken over, they turn off the Ethernet port, at least they did on ours, and only allow you to switch between WiFi or Aircard to prevent you from doing any kind of networking over the Aircard by plugging the laptop into your Ethernet system....
I suspect modems have been also deleted by the Aircard software installation of VZAccess Manager, which hijacked the notebooks I installed it on.
Have you plugged your notebook into your Ethernet network since installing VZAccess Manager? Try it and see if it simply connects like it always did. They may have changed the hacking since the last install I did for a lawyer who wanted mobile email, but also needed to connect to a secure network in his office that was totally unconnected from the internet for security reasons of his clients. I had to reinstall WinXP Pro to recover from the VZAccess Manager install and he returned the aircard with some words you can't say on NBC...(c; The Ethernet access in Network was simply GONE!
Why would "power users" want an aircard, anyways? The AUP for VZW's internet strictly forbids any access other than email, webpages and a company intranet. No FTP, no streaming, no downloading or anything else that uses BANDWIDTH.... In a little popup window to reduce what shows up for the customers who are not curious enough to scroll it down into the finer details on the internet webpages it says:
"UNLIMITED DATA PLANS AND FEATURES Unlimited Data Plans and Features (such as NationalAccess, BroadbandAccess, Push to Talk, and certain VZEmail services) may ONLY be used with wireless devices for the following purposes: (i) Internet browsing; (ii) email; and (iii) intranet access (including access to corporate intranets, email, and individual productivity applications like customer relationship management, sales force, and field service automation). The Unlimited Data Plans and Features MAY NOT be used for any other purpose. Examples of prohibited uses include, without limitation, the following: (i) continuous uploading, downloading or streaming of audio or video programming or games; (ii) server devices or host computer applications, including, but not limited to, Web camera posts or broadcasts, automatic data feeds, automated machine–to–machine connections or peer–to–peer (P2P) file sharing; or (iii) as a substitute or backup for private lines or dedicated data connections. This means, by way of example only, that checking email, surfing the Internet, downloading legally acquired songs, and/or visiting corporate intranets is permitted, but downloading movies using P2P file sharing services and/or redirecting television signals for viewing on laptops is prohibited. A person engaged in prohibited uses, continuously for one hour, could typically use 100 to 200 MBs, or, if engaged in prohibited uses for 10 hours a day, 7 days a week, could use more than 5 GBs in a month.
For individual use only and not for resale. We reserve the right to protect our network from harm, which may impact legitimate data flows. We reserve the right to limit throughput or amount of data transferred, and to deny or terminate service, without notice, to anyone we believe is using an Unlimited Data Plan or Feature in any manner prohibited above or whose usage adversely impacts our network or service levels. Anyone using more than 5 GB per line in a given month is presumed to be using the service in a manner prohibited above, and we reserve the right to immediately terminate the service of any such person without notice. We also reserve the right to terminate service upon expiration of Customer Agreement term."
Any "power user" is going to blast away the 5GB/month limit, making him a very bad boy, stuck with a dead Aircard they're not going to take back just because they cut him off. Notice the "hint" of using only 100-200 MB/month at the bottom of paragraph 1 above.
I love the part where it says "unlimited" in their ads for 5GB/month of VERY LIMITED service. And, don't get any crazy ideas about running Skype over that Aircard to your overseas buddies, either! That's the ULTIMATE insult to a cellphone company...hee hee...(c; Some might call "unlimited" a "damn lie"!
Larry
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Nessnet - 13 Nov 2006 19:55 GMT You don't have to use VZW access manager if you don't want. Once drivers are installed, just a DUN will do.
The rest below is also 99% BS as well.
I have now seen >60 Aircard installs. Not ONE disabled either Ethernet or modems.
Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have any problems using the card for what it was intended.
> zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163440072.261249.114040 > @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 81 lines] > > Larry Larry - 13 Nov 2006 23:37 GMT > Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have > any problems using the card for what it was intended. But, Nessy, wouldn't it be lots more HONEST if the damned company posted, right up front, not in the legalese bullshit, what the service they were offering REALLY was?
Larry
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Steven J. Sobol - 14 Nov 2006 02:07 GMT >> Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have >> any problems using the card for what it was intended. > > But, Nessy, wouldn't it be lots more HONEST if the damned company posted, > right up front, not in the legalese bullshit, what the service they were > offering REALLY was? I don't necessarily disagree with you, but your rant added nothing to the thread and didn't actually answer the question.
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 05:28 GMT As I have stated multiple times, I also feel that "unlimited" could be better defined. If there are hard limits, they need to be spelled out in black and white.
On this, we don't disagree. Where we differ is in the 'delivery' of the message and your contention that the service is totally unusable because of it...
>> Most users don't download porn, music or movies. So, they don't have >> any problems using the card for what it was intended. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Larry Larry - 14 Nov 2006 16:00 GMT "Nessnet" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in news:ac- dncFYwrppzsTYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com:
> Where we differ is in the 'delivery' of the message > and your contention that the service is totally unusable because of it... Not at all. My message is the service is just for email and looking at spam-soaked webpages, not real internet service. For instance, if you are viewing this message on a Usenetserver.com or Giganews nntp account, you are in VIOLATION of the agreement on the Aircard. You cannot access Usenet, unless you use html webpage access, to view this message, according to Verizon Wireless' AUP. I don't consider that internet service, at all.
Larry
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 16:34 GMT "Not at all"...???
An example of your delivery - "spam soaked web pages"... You always have to say something 'snarky'. And totally inaccurate >90% of the time. Thus, my response(s).
More "snarky"... "Real Internet service" - gee, I use exactly that, each and every day. Using an Aircard - I seem to have no problems. Most all folks seem to have no problems. I (and many) get one hellof alot of work done every day, using the "real Internet".
Simply more Larry BS... what "you consider" is hardly normal. The exact opposite... Normal isn't sucking a connection dry of every byte of connectivity - that is being a pig. A bandwidth hog - and certainly IS considered abuse by most any ISP, not just VZW.
Splitting hairs is also a trademark of yours. The bottom line is that a user could actually use an Aircard for whatever they want. No one at VZW is actually looking at ports or packets. Just don't pin the connection up and abuse it by being a bandwidth hog and no one at VZW will give a damn what you are actually using it for.
The listed stuff in the AUP is known to be bandwidth intensive. Damn lawyers got involved and wrote cover their a.s weasel language. Bottom line, VZW will NEVER actually hassle anyone - unless they excessively use bandwidth.
> "Nessnet" <richard@nodamnspam.nessnet.com> wrote in news:ac- > dncFYwrppzsTYnZ2dnUVZ_u6dnZ2d@giganews.com: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Larry zwxphtt@gmail.com - 13 Nov 2006 20:00 GMT You know in the connect box..no connections show up in there as Power User..if you're an admin they are in there..I don't believe its a license problem..this is the government and these guys are just checking email remotely..i'm sure they are nowhere near a 5 gig limit. We update the firmware on all of these units (four) but before that they were seeing the the wireless networks in the connection box. There is some policy written in thier firmware that is stopping everyone but admins from seeing those connections. I need a clue where to go to give these weenies the rights...a line in the registry...a dll file..something!! Zwx
> zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163440072.261249.114040 > @h54g2000cwb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 84 lines] > My calendar must be wrong.... > In all the stores, it's ALREADY Christmas! Larry - 13 Nov 2006 23:37 GMT zwxphtt@gmail.com wrote in news:1163448030.259705.302540 @m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com:
> You know in the connect box..no connections show up in there as Power > User..if you're an admin they are in there..I don't believe its a [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > file..something!! > Zwx Sorry, after installing Verizon Crapware x.1 I never did see the network, other than the permitted wifi, until the restore. I had admin privs on the notebooks. VZW Crapware has a switch...either our aircard OR your wifi. There was no third choice that would let me have ethernet connectivity back....to prevent me from making the aircard some kind of slow connection for the ethernet, if I wanted, I suspect. It's all about CONTROL....
Larry
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 05:46 GMT Then it WAS operator error. When installing Access Manager, you can easily tell it to only manage WWAN - and problem solved. WiFi is then left completely alone. (You can even run the wizard and do this after install...)
I can fire up a VZW connection while still connected to WiFi anytime I want.
You also seem to be missing the whole point of Access Manager. While I don't like it or use it myself, the intent of the program is not some evil plot for VZW iron hand control. It is meant for easy auto switching - the program is supposed to automatically use WiFi when available and WWAN when not.
Yes, it could be better, that's why I don't use it. But auto switching between them was how it is meant to work.
"CONTROL" is not it.
> Sorry, after installing Verizon Crapware x.1 I never did see the network, > other than the permitted wifi, until the restore. I had admin privs on the [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Larry Larry - 14 Nov 2006 15:56 GMT > I can fire up a VZW connection while still connected to WiFi anytime I > want. You must have a different Access Manager than I have. The switch turned off wifi in ours.
Larry
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Nessnet - 14 Nov 2006 16:03 GMT Nice snippage Larry.... let me say it again.
Then it WAS operator error. When installing Access Manager, you can easily tell it to only manage WWAN - and problem solved. WiFi is then left completely alone. (You can even run the wizard and do this after install...)
You also seem to be missing the whole point of Access Manager. While I don't like it or use it myself, the intent of the program is not some evil plot for VZW iron hand control. It is meant for easy auto switching - the program is supposed to automatically use WiFi when available and WWAN when not.
Yes, it could be better, that's why I don't use it. But auto switching between them was how it is meant to work.
>> I can fire up a VZW connection while still connected to WiFi anytime I >> want. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Larry The Other Funk - 14 Nov 2006 21:38 GMT Finding the keyboard operational Nessnet entered:
> Nice snippage Larry.... let me say it again. Nessnet, You are aware that Larry is famous for out of context quoting, pimping for SKYPE and running for his imaginery lawyer. I am starting to believe that Larry is one of the most delusional conspiracy theorist I have seen. I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that others know to get another opinion before acting. Bob
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zwxphtt@gmail.com - 15 Nov 2006 16:04 GMT Okay, let me break in one more time. First, my cabled network works fine on these laptops when they are connected via cable to the network. No problems with that..No IP problems..No login problems..Just no network problems when connected via the Cat 5 cable. You only see the NIC in the Network (Local Area Connection) in the Network Connections applet. If you fire off VZ Access Manager version 5.4.0 or later, no connections show up in the connections, IF you're a Power User, IF you're an admin everything works fine and you can connect wirelessly to Verizon, then use VPN or whatever. Comprenda?? Zwx
> Finding the keyboard operational > Nessnet entered: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > know to get another opinion before acting. > Bob Steven J. Sobol - 15 Nov 2006 19:53 GMT > I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that others > know to get another opinion before acting. There already is:
From: Larry (noone@home.com)
Or sometimes
From: Larry W4CSC (noone@home.com)
although I haven't seen the second format in a while
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Meat Plow - 15 Nov 2006 20:08 GMT >> I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that others >> know to get another opinion before acting. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > although I haven't seen the second format in a while Look up his ham callsign W4CSC at www.qrz.com
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Steven J. Sobol - 15 Nov 2006 22:58 GMT
> Look up his ham callsign W4CSC at www.qrz.com There's no information there that interests me...
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The Other Funk - 15 Nov 2006 23:17 GMT Finding the keyboard operational Steven J. Sobol entered:
>> I only wish that there was a way to tag his misinformation so that >> others know to get another opinion before acting. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > although I haven't seen the second format in a while I know how to filter him out. I am looking for a way to tag his posts so that those who are not aware of his track record are warned that his posts are for entertainment only and do not contain factual information. Bob
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Steven J. Sobol - 16 Nov 2006 01:03 GMT
> I know how to filter him out. I am looking for a way to tag his posts so > that those who are not aware of his track record are warned that his posts > are for entertainment only and do not contain factual information. > Bob *You* can't.
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zwxphtt@gmail.com - 16 Nov 2006 12:19 GMT Okay, I totally give up. You know one guy trolls then everyone spends 25 entries talking about how stupid the troll is and there is zero information being passed around. Here's a clue..if you have no constructive remarks..try just talking to yourself..or go bug the guy in the next cube..sheesh Zwx
> Finding the keyboard operational > Steven J. Sobol entered: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > are for entertainment only and do not contain factual information. > Bob
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