> The last time I had been in that store, it was a real Verizon store.

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> The same is true of the "Verizon Store" in Northwoods Mall in North
> Charleston, SC. Verizon got out of the mall and built a stand-alone store
> on a vacant lot down the street. The old store was, literally overnight,
> taken over to fool the mall customers into thinking it was a Verizon store
It IS a Verizon store- just not a company-owned one. They sell Verizon
phones and Verizon service, and they have to meet minimum policy
standards set by Verizon. How is that not a "Verizon store?" Is a Big
Mac any more or less of a Big Mac if you buy it from a McDonald's
corporate-owned location or a franchisee?
> by one of the mall resellers who had a kiosk in the hallway. The marque
> still says VERIZON in big red VZW logo, but their company name is much
> smaller underneath it with the word reseller on the end.
Reusing the McDonald's example, independent McD franchises don't indicate
their "real" owner on the signage at all.
> It's a rotten trick. They have nothing to do with Verizon except to resell
> their service like the other mall resellers. Very deceitful.
Oh please. It's not like they're buying phones on eBay and selling them
nder a stolen Verizon sign- they have a business relationship with Verizon
to sell Verizon products, akin to a car dealer's relationship with a car
manufacturer. They are a Verizon-authorized retailer.
> The phones aren't live in this store, because VZW has a crappy signal
> inside the mall and when VZW vacated they took the big Cheater Repeater and
> its amplified antenna with them to their new store...to get a useable
> signal into it...(c;
So, after declaring this store "a rotten trick" you now say they're
actually more honest than a Verizon company store by not misrepresenting
the quality of service?
This one hits a little close to home for me- I was an independent
exclusive Cingular dealer in Kansas City for several years in the late
90's and early aughts. I prided myself on providing lower prices, better
service, and a wider handset selection than Cingular corporate stores (I
used to source handsets outside of Cingular's distribution system to
offer better deals or a better selection. When Cingular- then still SBMS-
first went digital, they offered two TDMA phones. I had four, the two
steaming loads SBMS chose to carry, and two better, cheaper models I
sourced from an independent distributor. (Ahh, the good old days when
any phone worked on any compatible system- no custom firmware or crippled
features!)
Sure, some resellers are pushy and not customer-service oriented, but the
same can be said for some corporate stores. Plus, some indies will often
offer better deals than their corporate cousins, and in the case of GSM
carriers, who are less restrictive of what handsets are allowed on their
network, indies often offer a selection of handsets not offered by the
carrier itself, including interesting, or even radical imports.
Several years ago, for example, I ran across a T-Mo indie that, in
addition to the typical T-Mo offerings, sold a variety of imported
unlocked handsets, including the Panasonic "compact" phone ("compact" as
in a woman's tiny makeup case, complete with mirror in the upper lid!)
and whatever model of Nokia Communicator was current at the time- two
neat "niche" phones that were never released by US carriers. The
Panasonic was probably one of, if not THE, smallest cellphone available
at that time, and the Nokia was one of the original line of PDA phones
before Treos and Blackberries made PDA phones ubiquitous. (If you
remember the clamshell QWERTY-keyboarded phone Val Kilmer used in that
wretched "The Saint" remake a decade ago- that was a Communicator.)
So don't pick on an indie just because it's an indie. Pick on it if
it's a BAD indie. If it's a good one, you'll probably get a better deal
on a new handset from them than from a "real" Verizon store.

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TeddeLI - 18 Feb 2007 14:08 GMT
It happens that Todd Allcock formulated :
>> The same is true of the "Verizon Store" in Northwoods Mall in North
>> Charleston, SC. Verizon got out of the mall and built a stand-alone store
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
> it's a BAD indie. If it's a good one, you'll probably get a better deal
> on a new handset from them than from a "real" Verizon store.
Don't confuse Larry with facts
Todd Allcock - 18 Feb 2007 19:25 GMT
> Don't confuse Larry with facts
To be fair to Larry, there are a lot of callous mone-grubbing indies out
there, but there certainly are some good ones as well. I saw myself as a
customer advocate, personally, because I never forgot that my customers
were MY customers, not Cingular's- and if I though they were getting a
raw deal from Cingular about something, I'd fight tooth and claw with my
Cingular rep to get them satisaction. Part of that was simply my innate
sence of fair play, but mostly it was good business. Unlike a
restaurant, where good service equals repeat business, one-year cellphone
contracts only generate repeat business annually- I needed my my
customers to be happy enough with ME to refer more business MY way- not
just to "Cingular."

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Larry - 18 Feb 2007 18:18 GMT
Todd Allcock <elecconnec@AmericaOnLine.com> wrote in news:45d7d1de$0$16344
$88260bb3@free.teranews.com:
> How is that not a "Verizon store?
It is NOT a Verizon Wireless OWNED AND OPERATED store and does NOT
represent the company or make any decisions about your service. They do
not represent Verizon management and its decisions about how the company is
to be operated and cannot correct problems with your interface with
Verizon.
Geez...
WalMart is a reseller for HP computers. They have an HP sign, too! But,
the WalMart employees do not represent HP and cannot solve any issues you
have with HP, either! You must contact HP, just like you need someone from
Verizon Wireless to fix things.
Duhh.......
Larry

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Todd Allcock - 18 Feb 2007 19:10 GMT
> It is NOT a Verizon Wireless OWNED AND OPERATED store and does NOT
> represent the company or make any decisions about your service. They do
> not represent Verizon management and its decisions about how the company is
> to be operated
So? The O&O doesn't make Verizon policy either, they just implement it.
> and cannot correct problems with your interface with
> Verizon.
They can if they care to, just like I did back when I was a Cingular indie.
They have a regional Verizon company rep for that, just like I had with
Cingular. Of course, they'll probably fob you off to the Verizon 1-800#
unless you were their customer originally, or they saw an opportunity to
sell you something.
> Geez...
>
> WalMart is a reseller for HP computers. They have an HP sign, too! But,
> the WalMart employees do not represent HP and cannot solve any issues you
> have with HP, either!
Depends- their return policy is far more generous than HP's, so they can
solve some problems HP couldn't, like "how do I trade this 60-day old HP
back for the $500 in cash I paid for it?"
> You must contact HP, just like you need someone from
> Verizon Wireless to fix things.
>
> Duhh.......
And the guy behind the counter of the O&O with "Verizon" stiched on his
polo shirt is empowered to solve all of your problems? No, he gets on
the phone with retail CS or gets into your account over the computer, and
does what it lets him do. The indies can do all that as well, if they
have a mind to. It's all about customer service, and their willingness
to employ it.
I suspect your real beef with the indie is that they have less tolerance
than an O&O for you coming in and harrassing their "cute little sales
gals" with lectures and demonstrations about how your 10-mile range
router and Wi-Fi Skype phone is superior to their cellular service...

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The Other Funk - 19 Feb 2007 21:47 GMT
Finding the keyboard operational
Larry entered:
> Duhh.......
>
> Larry
For those who have not yet experianced Larrey's responses,...
Larry is prone to quote out of context and produce the most convoluted
responses in order to point out what he precives as deceptions that Verizon
uses to get money from an uneducated public.
When confronted with facts or asked to provide data to back up his
statements, he will accuse the poster of being a Verion employee ( or at
least a shill) or will quote his "lawyer".
In this instance, whether or not a store is a Verizon O&O or a licensed
dealer of Verizon services, they do represent Verizon. They must be in order
to make the User Agreement valid. i.e. the UA is between the customer and
VzW.
WalMart is a retail seller of HP computers and does not represent HP in any
manner.
Bob

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