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Art S - 19 Apr 2007 07:58 GMT

I'm considering getting the XV 6700, but don't want internet access.
According to Verizon, if I have them block internet access to the phone,
they will get rid of a $100 discount for buying an advanced phone (so I
pay $100 more).

If I don't provide connection information, is the phone still able to
connect so I would need to pay a fee (I know it couldn't actually connect
to an ISP; the question is could it do something meeting Verizon's
definition, resulting in a charge).

Thanks

Art

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Todd Allcock - 19 Apr 2007 15:56 GMT

> I'm considering getting the XV 6700, but don't want internet access.
> According to Verizon, if I have them block internet access to the phone,
> they will get rid of a $100 discount for buying an advanced phone (so I
> pay $100 more).

Are you sure you're understanding them correctly? I doubt they're going
to knock $100 off just because you might stumble into some accidental
data usage! Are you sure the $100 discount isn't in return for signing
up for some sort of monthly data plan or package?

> If I don't provide connection information, is the phone still able to
> connect so I would need to pay a fee (I know it couldn't actually connect
> to an ISP; the question is could it do something meeting Verizon's
> definition, resulting in a charge).

The phone is preprogrammed with the data connection info for Verizon.
Right out of the box it can use Verizon data without you "providing
connection info."
I have another carrier's version of that phone, and I'm able to delete
the carrier's data profile (if I chose to, but I use mobile data.) Given
Verizon's reputation for crippling phone features, I won't swear on a
stack of bibles you can delete the Verizon data profiles on a 6700, but
you should be able to in the phone's connection settings, then it will
have no possible way to use Verizon data.

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Art S - 19 Apr 2007 17:32 GMT

>> I'm considering getting the XV 6700, but don't want internet access.
>> According to Verizon, if I have them block internet access to the phone,
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> data usage! Are you sure the $100 discount isn't in return for signing
> up for some sort of monthly data plan or package?

I told them I was interested in the phone. I told them that I wanted them to
disable internet access - so that if I or the phone tried to connect, it would
be rejected by Verizon. After verifying that it could be done, they told
me that they would need to remove a $100 discount because it didn't
count as an advanced phone (at least that's what I think they called it).
At that point there was no mention of data plans (or that the $100 was a
discount for signing up for a data plan). That doesn't mean that you are
incorrect of course - just that that isn't how they explained it to me. And
I find your suggestion quite likely, to be honest.

>> If I don't provide connection information, is the phone still able to
>> connect so I would need to pay a fee (I know it couldn't actually
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> you should be able to in the phone's connection settings, then it will
> have no possible way to use Verizon data.

OK, thanks.

Art

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Dave Rudisill - 19 Apr 2007 20:06 GMT

>"Art S" <thedabbler02@earthlink.net> wrote:

>I'm considering getting the XV 6700, but don't want internet access.
>According to Verizon, if I have them block internet access to the phone,
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>
>Art

As an aside, one advantage of a Verizon PDA/phone like the XV6700 is
that the data plan is only $45/mo, compared to $60 for regular cell
phones. That's one reason I was willing to pay $100 for my XV6600 rather
than get a free New-Every-Two phone last time. In six or seven months I
saved enough on the data plan to amortize the extra cost for the phone.

I didn't know they would sell you the phone without a data plan. Thanks
for the info.

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Pegleg - 20 Apr 2007 15:21 GMT

>As an aside, one advantage of a Verizon PDA/phone like the XV6700 is
>that the data plan is only $45/mo, compared to $60 for regular cell
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>I didn't know they would sell you the phone without a data plan. Thanks
>for the info.

I cannot find a data plan for $44.00/mo on the web site. When checking
plans for pda/smart phones this is all I see:

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewPl
anOverview&catType=voiceData

http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/store/controller?item=planFirst&action=viewPl
anList&sortOption=priceSort&typeId=3&subTypeId=4&catId=448

Where are you guys finding this $44.99/month plan. I also cannot locate
the $59.99/mo voice/data plan which I believe is the end product of
combining the $44.99/mo data and $15.00/mo voice special plan/

Obviously I'm missing something on the web site somewhere.

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Dave Rudisill - 20 Apr 2007 15:01 GMT

>Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:

>Where are you guys finding this $44.99/month plan. I also cannot locate
>the $59.99/mo voice/data plan which I believe is the end product of
>combining the $44.99/mo data and $15.00/mo voice special plan/
>
>Obviously I'm missing something on the web site somewhere.

In you response to my post, you weren't missing anything. My $44.99 data
plan doesn't seem to appear on their web site any longer. Sorry.

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rocxspam - 21 Apr 2007 05:59 GMT

>>Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
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> In you response to my post, you weren't missing anything. My $44.99 data
> plan doesn't seem to appear on their web site any longer. Sorry.

FYI, I just got a used 6700 on Ebay, and when I had Vzw activate it (web
activation kept failing) in place of my previous phone (Nokia 6236i), I
immediately checked my features for it on my account on the website, and
there was a data plan I had never had before for 44.95, so that seems to
confirm Dave's statement.

When I called about that to see if I could drop it, the rep said that
was "standard", but that I could go to a per KB plan, but I was not
comfortable with that, and asked if there was some way to block data
access completely. He said he would have to check with tech support to
see if/how that could be done. I already knew how from asking the same
Q on Howard Forums (registry tweak), but wanted to see what the official
"line" was. Anyway, the registry tweak is a d-i-y solution, and Vzw
should have a way to disable data access from their end.

While I was on hold for that, the already weak call dropped. Since my
house is "RF resistant" (all cell phones' signals seem to be reduced in
and around it), I figured this "phone" was not going to cut it (reviews
said reception was weak), so I reverted to plan B, and decided to just
use it for a wifi PDA (not many with such a decent keyboard like the
older Jornada 6x0 and 72x HPC's).

My next call a few minutes later to Vzw was to get the number switched
back to the Nokia, and I am back to a gadget on each hip (but the Nokia
IS small, and the 6700 is at least narrower than my Palm Zire 72, with
more overall functionality, even if not so great for PIM functions as a
Palm ;-).

I also made sure that 44.95 data plan charge was removed.

FWIW,
ROC

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Art S - 23 Apr 2007 06:16 GMT

>>>Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
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> but wanted to see what the official "line" was. Anyway, the registry tweak is a d-i-y solution,
> and Vzw should have a way to disable data access from their end.

My understanding is that if you tweak the phone, you MUST be signed up
for a data plan because Verizon can't tell that you can't connect to the internet.
(By the way - do you have a URL to the registry tweak?)

If they block access, you don't need an access plan.

Why weren't you comfortable with the per KB plan? I'm mulling over
getting the 6700 and blocking access myself and getting the per KB plan.

Art

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rocxspam - 24 Apr 2007 04:29 GMT

>>>>Pegleg <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote:
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>
> Art

Well, the HoFo discussion I am thinking of
(http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?t=1119616&page=2&pp=15)
refers to the tweak, but no specifics - search HoFo (probly xv6700 fora
and/or Verizon) - I am fairly sure you will find the info there.

I need to get a handle on my likely data volume with this kind of setup
to be "comfortable" with a per KB plan, which, BTW, it seems is now a
"feature" associated with my Nokia. It seems I have lost the "backdoor"
data access since I got Vzw's attention with the switching back and
forth of the 2 phones. They are showing 175KB data usage for most
recent period up through 4/19. Thinking that was a deliberate limited
experiment with my typical access of the Internet from the Zire via
infrared link to the Nokia, which always used to show as a data call in
my previous bills, but no KB's, and no charge, but now that there is an
actual KB amount, I suspect there will be a charge - RATS!

Maybe I will just switch over to Sprint for year or 2, to re-set
everything, and see how that works since my employer-funded EVDO AirCard
for my work notebook works very well most places I have taken it.

ROC

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