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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / July 2007VZ Broadband - Minimum 1 year contract???
Something doesn't seem right here. Can someone please give me their opinion on this? A friend gave me his PC5750RevA air card. I called Verizon to set up an account and they wanted to me to sign a minimum 1 year contract...or an "our way or the highway" type attitude. Is there something wrong with this picture? I'm offering to pay them for a service, but only if I agree to a year's service that binds me to an $175 early termination fee. What for? It's my equipment. I might be able to see this if I got a free card from them, as they need to recover their equipment cost, but in my case, what gives? So, either they have my commitment for a year, or not at all. JM >I'm offering to pay them for a service, but only if I agree to a year's >service that binds me to an $175 early termination fee. What for? It's my >equipment. I might be able to see this if I got a free card from them, as >they need to recover their equipment cost, but in my case, what gives? > >So, either they have my commitment for a year, or not at all. That's the way Verizon does business! "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message : >>I'm offering to pay them for a service, but only if I agree to a year's >>service that binds me to an $175 early termination fee. What for? It's my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's the way Verizon does business! You say it's "business." I call it Extortion! >You say it's "business." > >I call it Extortion! You have the choice to use another cell phone service! I don't like the way Verizon does a lot of things but until someone can provide a better level of service for me I will continue to use them. As with any business (except cable tv service) you can vote with your feet and go elsewhere. "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message > >>You say it's "business." >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > As with any business (except cable tv service) you can vote with your > feet and go elsewhere. I wish I could. But nobody else offers broadband Internet IN MY AREA. I've just had Hughesnet for the last 15 months, and I'm sick of satellite latency coupled with 30-200Kbps speeds, even thought I am paying for 1Mbps! Now I'm ready to try EVDO with verizon, but I don't like the idea of being extorted... > "Pegleg" <Pegleg@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > paying for 1Mbps! Now I'm ready to try EVDO with verizon, but I don't > like the idea of being extorted... "EXTORTION - The use, or the express or implicit threat of the use, of violence or other criminal means to cause harm to person, reputation, or property as a means to obtain property from someone else with his consent. USC 18" http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e073.htm Clearly, your definition is different than *the* definition.  SignatureNotan "Notan" <notan@ddressthatcanbespammed> wrote in message : > "EXTORTION - The use, or the express or implicit threat of the use, of > violence or other criminal means to cause harm to person, reputation, or [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Clearly, your definition is different than *the* definition. Just FYI, the American Heritage Dictionary says: ex·tor·tion (¹k-stôr"sh.n) n. 1. The act or an instance of extorting. 2. Illegal use of one's official position or powers to obtain property, funds, or patronage. 3. An excessive or exorbitant charge. 4. Something extorted. --ex·tor"tion·ar"y (-sh.-nµr"¶) adj. --ex·tor"tion·ist or ex·tor"tion·er n. Notice #2. This seems to fit perfectly with Verizon's business tactics. > "Pegleg" <Peg...@usnavyret.mil> wrote in message > > > >>You say it's "business." > > >>I call it Extortion! > > As with any business (except cable tv service) you can vote with your > > feet and go elsewhere. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > ready to try EVDO with verizon, but I don't like the idea of being > extorted... Hello... Sprint roams on Verizon's EVDO network now at no additional cost: http://uneasysilence.com/archive/2006/12/8717/ But the deal is pretty much the same. Termination fee if you want off. But I really dont see it as extortion. For the service it provides it is quite a deal. Todd W. >Hello... Sprint roams on Verizon's EVDO network now at no additional >cost: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Todd W. It really is highly dependent on where you are at. I live in Northwest Washington State about 10 miles from the US/Canada border and cell coverage her totally sucks no matter who the provider is. Even along the I-5 corridor (which you would think would have good coverage) the coverage is hit and miss with both Verizon & Sprint. Not enough subscribers I guess. As you head east toward the Cascades forget it..."No Service". I was ready to get a pda/smartphone but after discovering the crappy coverage for data in this neck of the woods I scratched the idea. This whole area (Whatcom County) is years behind the Seattle area. > Not enough subscribers I guess. As you head east toward the Cascades > forget it..."No Service". > > I was ready to get a pda/smartphone but after discovering the crappy > coverage for data in this neck of the woods I scratched the idea. > This whole area (Whatcom County) is years behind the Seattle area. Think the east side of washington state (like towards spokane)... Not only is their great cellular (verizon away from the major highways), but skynet of spokane provides wireless to hundreds of square miles.... I'd sell ya my house their, but I already sold it to some guy from the seattle area :) >Think the east side of washington state (like towards spokane)... Not only >is their great cellular (verizon away from the major highways), but skynet >of spokane provides wireless to hundreds of square miles.... I'd sell ya my >house their, but I already sold it to some guy from the seattle area :) Thanks for the offer but no thanks...we like where were at except for the technology challenges. Did a lot of research before selecting this area when we left San Diego. Weather is much different from Seattle or Spokane. We eliminated those two areas right from the start. Where are you moving to? >> Think the east side of washington state (like towards spokane)... >> Not only is their great cellular (verizon away from the major [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Where are you moving to? Actually, I was in LA for a lot of years fore I moved to the spokane area (actually, across the state line in rathdrum idaho), now I'm in Ellicott City Maryland, Heck of a difference, but the last of my family are here... <sigh> I miss the west :( >> You say it's "business." >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > As with any business (except cable tv service) you can vote with your > feet and go elsewhere. They are doing it too. Those various "triple play" plans now feature a contract. My buddy just got cable Internet for his business and the package was only available with a contract. Termination fee is unethnical! > >I'm offering to pay them for a service, but only if I agree to a year's > >service that binds me to an $175 early termination fee. What for? It's my [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > That's the way Verizon does business! > Something doesn't seem right here. Can someone please give me their > opinion on this? [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > JM Go check this offer out.... www.moremobileinternet.com I FIRED Verizon and bought one of these. Go for the Ovation U720 USB modem and the mobile wireless router. With the 2 rebate coupons the Modem is free. There IS a 2 year contract....but you get to test drive it for 30 days. Verizon is stump stupid, chased away a long term customer with their shitty business practices.. >"Bob's Backfire Burrito" <BLAMPOW!@pullmyfinger.org> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Verizon is stump stupid, chased away a long term customer >with their shitty business practices.. The solution to the OP's pique about Verizon wanting a one-year contract is to sign a two-year contract with Sprint? SignatureDave > >"Bob's Backfire Burrito" <BLAMPOW!@pullmyfinger.org> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > The solution to the OP's pique about Verizon wanting a one-year contract > is to sign a two-year contract with Sprint? I think what Bob is saying is that you can test drive Sprint for 30 days to see if you want to go there. From what I have heard but not confirmed..Sprint will go month to month without a contract if you provide your own equipment (And it's compatible) "Porgy Tirebiter" <biteme@gmail.com> wrote in message: >> The solution to the OP's pique about Verizon wanting a one-year contract >> is to sign a two-year contract with Sprint? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > without a contract if you provide your own > equipment (And it's compatible) Hey! Good old Porgy, from the Firesign Theater! I loved those guys. As for Sprint going month to month with my own equipment, that's the way it should be in my book. Unfortunately Sprint doesn't offer broadband in my area. > Something doesn't seem right here. Can someone please give me their > opinion on this? [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > JM Find out if alltel will activate it and offers roaming for data accounts on your local vzw system ("I sometimes visit..."). ;) "Yes this is my service address, but I need it billed back through my office at..." Verizon could obviously give less a rats a.s if you're their customer or not. Also, don't actually expect much better performance from evdo than you do satelite. You're also dealing with a much worse usage policy with Verizon than you are Hughesnet (although getting shut down after a few hundred megs *REALLY* sucks, it beats 5GB/month/max) The amazing part is according to their contract they don't have to offer *anything* and you're *forced* to pay. Even if the only thing that works at their company is the bill creating machine, you'll be expected to pay at least the minimum monthly revenue commitment for said contract for that 1 year period or pay the ETF. Also, a signed contract is the only way they're going to be able to enforce the whole 5GB/month thing. They claim "unlimited" internet in their advertising then set a usage quota on top of it. This is legal if its in the signed contract - no contract and you could legally expect "full usability" for a 1 month calender period. Personally I'm in the process of terminating my business with verizon. They may or may not *technically* suck, but they're quite an awful provider from a usability/support aspect. Also, don't expect evdo to work unless you can *see* the antenna rack. I'm sitting 2.4 miles from a 385' EVDO install where I get 3/4 and 4/4 bars of signal off 1xRTT regularly (usually showing 0-1 bars of evdo indoors) and cannot get vcast to work and DUN regularly disconnects indoors. Theres light foliage between me and the tower (ie - I can see the tower lighting quite plainly at night, but can't really notice the tower through the trees during the day) and my house is a simple wood frame house with a composition roof. On the edge, evdo doesn't do so hot. Sometimes I'm better off on 1xRTT throughput-wise. The latency is about 1/6th of hughes on average, which means its latency is on par with a decent 56k dialup. In other words... not that dramatic of a difference, they both suck :| <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message: > Also, don't expect evdo to work unless you can *see* the antenna rack. I'm > sitting 2.4 miles from a 385' EVDO install where I get 3/4 and 4/4 bars of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > In other words... not that dramatic of a difference, they both suck :| Thanks for sharing your experiences with EVDO. What you say doesn't sound very good. But do you think a Clear Voice 1900MHz 55db repeater would help? A little? A lot? Just FYI, I'm 9 miles from the nearest tower and I typically get 0-1 EV bars on my VX8300 phone's signal meter, and typically 2-3 1X bars. What is your opinion on the repeater? James, his "experiences" with EVDO are NOT typical. It does sound like there is some problem, but don't take it to mean ALL EVDO is like this. It isn't. Seattle, Portland, Salt Lake, Denver, Phoenix, San Francisco, LA, Vegas have all been very positive EVDO experiences. In the RevA areas, MUCH closer (if not equivalent) to a wireless DSL experience than "dialup". Fairly fast and I don't experience the 'drops' he has either. I can put up a connection and it'll stay up until I disconnect. Sometimes days... Or hundreds of miles without a single drop. In BOS' case there could be many things going on. PP is something to consider: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum= 0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22pilot+pollution%22&spell=1 > <balsofsteele@gmail.com> wrote in message: > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > What is your opinion on the repeater? > James, his "experiences" with EVDO are NOT typical. It does sound like there > is some problem, but don't take it to mean ALL EVDO is like this. It isn't. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Or hundreds of miles without a single drop. Yep, Grapeland to Austin, TX... The first couple weeks I had an SCH-A650. The friends I was going to visit totally called bullshit on my arrival since I'd send them a line of text periodically. The US287->TX21->US290 route had pretty good performance for data. Theres a few points where voice is futile since you're on the edge of the SIDs... > In BOS' case there could be many things going on. PP is something to consider: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum= 0&ct=result&cd=1&q=%22pilot+pollution%22&spell=1 Its fairly likely since my house is LOS to 3 800B CDMA networks (Verizon here and south, Sprint to the east, Alltel to the north, and a mix of crap to the west, but theres a about 35 miles to the next tower toward the west. When tower climbing my phone switches off 800 VERY quickly, and tries to find a home with SID 4119 (Dallas?)... pilot pollution makes sense... This doesn't explain the EVDO's weakness (very little 1.9 around here)... It may be license related transmit power reduction, but it doesn't seem *that* inferior to the experience I had around Houston and Conroe, and it makes sense - you simply can't cram a whole lot of bits in a small amount of spectrum in a "real world" environment and get universal coverage. More power doesn't help since it just means more multipath, the only real fix is directional antennas, and we've all seen what kind of fiasco that is with the cellular industry :P |
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