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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / September 2007Is there no way to prevent romaing?
I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology really become too difficult to implement? > I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to > prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I > got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology > really become too difficult to implement? Sometimes phones have an option to have them only work on the Home SID - I'm not sure if this would work or not - which phone do you have? Rich >> I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way >> to prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Rich Chocolate, VX8550. >>> I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way >>> to prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Chocolate, VX8550. I have a VX8300 - and here is the menu path for me: Menu > Settings & Tools > Phone Settings > System Select > If you select Home Only - it should prevent roaming. This will also prevent roaming (free) in other parts of the US - so if you travel out of your home area, you'll need to set it back to Automatic. Rich >>>> I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no >>>> way to prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Rich Thanks Rich. >I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to >prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I >got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology >really become too difficult to implement? My phone (an old Kyocera 2235) has a setting to disable roaming.  SignatureBob Scheurle Visit the NJ-ARP Blog at http://www.nj-arp.org/blog You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can even force roaming mode even if you are standing next to a Sprint Tower. >I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to >prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I >got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology >really become too difficult to implement? > You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint > Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>I got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such >>technology really become too difficult to implement? But then you have to deal with the nightmare that is Sprint...poor reception, non-existent customer service, and getting treated by Sprint like you are lower on the evolutionary scale than pond scum No person who is in their right mind should consider Sprint. Honu (Happy ex-Sprint Verizon customer). Sprint works where verizon doesn't work. Also, I can force my phone to roam on Verizon anytime I want to and therefore I have the best of both worlds. You verizon folks can't do that! I am a happy pond scum! >> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint >> Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Honu > (Happy ex-Sprint Verizon customer). >> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select >> "Sprint Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > scum > No person who is in their right mind should consider Sprint. LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint works but Verizon does not. There are places in Southern California where this is true. > LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint > works but Verizon does not. > LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint > works but Verizon does not. In the building where I work, Sprint has several repeaters. In some of the deep interior rooms, the rest of us (Verizon, ATT, etc.) get no signal at all while Sprint phones get a full-power signal. Finally they put in a couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did nothing about the truly dead spots. >> LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint >> works but Verizon does not. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did > nothing about the truly dead spots. Under the Hudson River Verizon is the only carrier that provides service. > Under the Hudson River Verizon is the only carrier that provides service. If you are under the river, you are most likely dead and don't need cell phone service. >> Under the Hudson River Verizon is the only carrier that provides service. > >If you are under the river, you are most likely dead and don't need cell >phone service. They don't have underwater tunnels on Naboo? >> Under the Hudson River Verizon is the only carrier that provides service. > > If you are under the river, you are most likely dead and don't need cell > phone service. There is this neat idea called a tunnel. VZW has both the auto & train Hudson river tunnels lit up. >> LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint >> works but Verizon does not. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did > nothing about the truly dead spots. Agreed. My point is that Verizon is not the answer for everyone. In many areas Sprint, Cingular, or T-Mobile has better serevice. You need to select service based upon performance in the areas that you live, work, play, and travel. No single cell phone service is the best. It is simply the Verizon Kool-aid brainwashing. Kudos to the Verizon Marketing Machine!! Jar-Jar Binks explained on 9/24/2007 : >>> LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint >>> works but Verizon does not. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > travel. No single cell phone service is the best. It is simply the Verizon > Kool-aid brainwashing. Kudos to the Verizon Marketing Machine!! Change many areas to a pitiful few in your post and you will be correct It amazes me that people, and in your case I use the term loosely, are so jealous of things that are better than what they have. Take your "I can force my phone to roam" kool aid to the newsgroup of your provider. There are many more people who need your wisdom there since few Sprint users are literate. You can be the king of all Sprint. I was king of Verizon for the past 10 years until I moved to a neighborhood in Orange County California where Verizon doesn't provide service but Sprint provides full signal. No one is jealous of what you have. If I had Verizon, I would have zero bars at my home and office in highly populated Southern California and wouldn't be able to make a call. That is why I dumped Verizon, otherwise I would not be able to make calls and would be always saying "Damn, It's the Network!". No go have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid especially prepared for you by Verizon's "It's the Network" Marketing Group.and you can be the "King of All Tards". :-) >> Agreed. My point is that Verizon is not the answer for everyone. In many >> areas Sprint, Cingular, or T-Mobile has better serevice. You need to [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > your provider. There are many more people who need your wisdom there > since few Sprint users are literate. You can be the king of all Sprint. > I was king of Verizon for the past 10 years until I moved to a neighborhood > in Orange County California where Verizon doesn't provide service but Sprint [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > you by Verizon's "It's the Network" Marketing Group.and you can be the "King > of All Tards". :-) Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost ever metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint & T-Mobile, and far better than AT&T. You may have found one area in Southern California where Sprint happens to work well, but this is not the case throughout the Southern California area. I know there's a tendency by some people to try to defend whatever purchasing decision they made regardless of the facts. No one will think any worse of you if you switch back to Verizon in order to improve your coverage. > Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost > ever metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint & > T-Mobile, and far better than AT&T. There's a good reason for that. Verizon was formed by the merger of three mature networks: GTE Wireless, Vodafone AirTouch Cellular, and Primeco. More coverage was added through mergers with smaller carriers and market swaps with Alltel, and no-fee roaming was enhanced by signing deals with a bunch of small roaming partners. Sprint and T-Mo didn't have that advantage. Hell, T-Mo didn't have service AT ALL in my hometown (Cleveland, Ohio) until, what, late '00 or early '01? Although when they launched, they launched with *extensive* coverage. > You may have found one area in Southern California where Sprint happens > to work well, but this is not the case throughout the Southern > California area. It's certainly the case up here in northern San Bernardino County, and I had good experiences with them throughout the Inland Empire. I left Sprint due to lying idiots in customer service, not network weaknesses. SignatureSteve Sobol, Victorville, California PGP:0xE3AE35ED "Drench yourself in words unspoken / Live your life with arms wide open Today is where your book begins / The rest is still unwritten" - Natasha Beddingfield >> No go have another tall glass of Verizon Kool-Aid especially prepared for >> you by Verizon's "It's the Network" Marketing Group.and you can be the "King [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > ever metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint & > T-Mobile, and far better than AT&T. I don't disagree with the basic argument, but I think the "far, far" and "far" qualifiers are biased. In the most recent Consumer Reports survey T-Mobile's service was found to be as good as or better than Verizon's in 4 of the 20 metro areas included, and was second to Verizon in 7 more. And, addressing the apparent bias, a 1900 MHz operator was first in 6 of the 20 metro areas, and was first or second in 16 of the 20. 1900 MHz doesn't seem to be an insurmountable disadvantage. Sprint, I'll grant, is pretty pathetic just about everywhere in this survey. If I were concerned about service outside metro areas, however, a current plan with Sprint might very well be better. Sprint still roams on just about anything available where they have no native service, but Verizon seems to avoid at least Sprint and AT&T AMPS most places (the exception with the latter apparently being where Verizon is 1900 MHz only) these days even when the alternative is no service at all. No one surveys this service, though. > You may have found one area in Southern California where Sprint happens > to work well, but this is not the case throughout the Southern [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > any worse of you if you switch back to Verizon in order to improve your > coverage. I have Verizon service, but no longer have T-Mobile or Sprint service. I remember how well the latter two worked, though, and when travelling away from the bay area I don't remember them being near as bad as you make them out to be. Dennis Ferguson >> Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost >> every metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint & [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >better than Verizon's in 4 of the 20 metro areas included, and was >second to Verizon in 7 more. So Verizon is #1 in 80% of those metro areas. That sounds like "far, far" better to me. >>> Just look at the numerous independent surveys of coverage. In almost >>> every metropolitan market, Verizon does far, far better than Sprint & [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So Verizon is #1 in 80% of those metro areas. That sounds like "far, > far" better to me. Not quite. Verizon was #1 in 13 of 20, tied with T-Mobile for #1 in 1 and tied with Alltel for #1 in 1. I don't disagree that Verizon made the people who used their service fairly happy most places. The issue I was commenting on, however, is who they are "far, far" better than and who they're just "far" better than. In the 16 markets where both T-Mobile and AT&T are rated, T-Mobile was ahead of AT&T in 13, behind in 2 and tied in 1. Who is "far, far" behind and who's just "far" for service in metropolitan markets? And I'm not sure "far" is an accurate description of this survey anyway. On a scale of 1 to 100 the best, Verizon, was rated an average of 69.5 while the worst, Sprint, averaged 61.5. Verizon was, however, consistently good in this survey; they were first or a close second on all 20 markets. Dennis Ferguson > I know there's a tendency by some people to try to defend whatever > purchasing decision they made regardless of the facts. No one will think > any worse of you if you switch back to Verizon in order to improve your > coverage. ROTFLMAO!! If I were switch back to Verizon, I would not be able to make calls from my home in Laguna Niguel, California or from my office in Carlsbad California and therefore it really wouldn't make sense for me. I would be saying "Damn, It's the Network Again". I don't believe surveys because the company with the largest wallet will always get the best reviews. >> LOL, it is true that it is extremely rare to find any place where Sprint >> works but Verizon does not. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > couple Verizon repeaters in places where they weren't needed. They did > nothing about the truly dead spots. That's true, if their are microcells installed inside a building, Sprint can get around their coverage issue. Often you see the microcells inside shopping malls, and inside stores selling wireless service. > You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint > Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can > even force roaming mode even if you are standing next to a Sprint Tower. The problem where I live is that Sprint coverage is very poor, and they don't allow roaming onto Verizon towers. >> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint >> Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can >> even force roaming mode even if you are standing next to a Sprint Tower. > > The problem where I live is that Sprint coverage is very poor, and they > don't allow roaming onto Verizon towers. SMS, where do you live? >>> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint >>> Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you can [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > SMS, where do you live? Northern California. The Sprint coverage in Silicon Valley is very poor. They even let you out of contract without a termination fee if you have no coverage at your house. It's mainly a result of them being a latecomer (along with T-Mobile) and getting stuck with 1900 MHz which requires far more towers to cover the same geographic area. It's not that they are unwilling to install more towers, it's opposition by residents to have towers in residential neighborhoods, even when disguised. Check Consumer Reports for ratings for the LA and SF metro areas. >>>> You could get a Sprint phone. Sprint phones allow you to select "Sprint >>>> Only", "Automatic Roaming", or "Force Roaming", Yes, with Sprint you [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Check Consumer Reports for ratings for the LA and SF metro areas. SMS, Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. Just because Sprint is excellent in SoCal doesn't make them good in NoCal. > I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to > prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I > got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology > really become too difficult to implement? I can think of three possibilities: (1) On my LG phone if you go to Menu -> Settings -> System -> Select System and select Home Only the phone will only take service from Verizon. This may not work if the US coverage is Extended Network roaming, rather than native Verizon coverage, though, as you may lose the US service as well. (2) Call Verizon and have them disable International Roaming on your account. This may not prevent the phone from trying to get service from the Canadian towers (you'd need a new PRL for that) but should at least keep you from having to pay for calls. Unfortunately, this will also prevent your phone from roaming if you travel to Canada. (3) Verizon used to offer free roaming in Canada for $5 or $10 per month extra. This would let you use the Canadian coverage with no per-call charge if Verizon still offers the option. Dennis Ferguson After reading the other posts in the thread, it sounds like you need to go to eBay and buy a phone that includes the no-roaming option. My understanding is that one can transfer service to the new phone from the V website at no charge. (if it works) >I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to >prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I >got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology >really become too difficult to implement? > I work near the border with Canada. Verizon has told me there is no way to > prevent roaming onto Canadian towers. Is this true? 10 years ago when I > got my first cell phone it had an option to not roam, did such technology > really become too difficult to implement? Can't you tell Verizon to turn off international roaming on your account? |
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