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jl - 23 Nov 2007 22:25 GMT
verizonwireless

Don't take any sh.t off those people.  They:

Lie
Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and
texts you don't make.  Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you.
Give you 5 different conflicting excuses for erasing your software,
not answering e-mails, delivering lousy service, delivering voice-
mails 2 weeks late, putting some body on the phone with you at tech
service who cannot speak or understand the English language, telling
you they will call back when they don't and don't intend to, don't
correct their glitches, and give you a cock-and-bull story when your
phone locks up or your software for ringtones and calendar are erased,
and spam substituted in its place.  My phone, a Nokia 6315i, at this
moment is locked up and no one can call it.  I just tried.  And it's
just two weeks old.  It shows a call from a number and two windows at
the bottom, one on the right says "Ignore," and the one on the left
says"Quiet."  Today is Nov. 23, 2007 and the phone locked up at 4:01
p. m. for the third and last time.  On the front of the phone the red
light is blinking and I cannot turn the phone off.

And no, I didn't drop the damn thing.  I have treated it with
meticulous care.

I drove to the Verizon store which was full of glum-looking unhappy
people waiting.  The greeter (a stocky man w/crew cut) at the front
asked me what the problem was.  I told him I had had nothing but
problems with this phone and he asked me,  "Did you take the battery
out and replace it?"  No, I said, why shoujld I have to do that?  He
took out the battery and put it bck in and then said, "Yeah, something
wrong with it."  I went to kiosk to verify my bill and it gave me a
bill of $131, which I damn sure won't pay because all I owe the
bastards for is about two weeks of lousy, shitty service with a
twitchy Nokia which isn't even a Nokia at all but a klunky, user-
UNfriendly Pantech, which my old Motorola V276 runs rings around.
Phone rings one time and quits, and party on other end says it rings
and rings.

At R'ton it gave a message when it wouldn't work that it was searching
for networks.  No bars showed for reception or signal and I couldn't
call or receive calls.  I was at the airport where service had
previously been excellent.  In the hangar I can neither receive nor
transmit, although with the Motorola V276 I could use the phone
anywhere on the airport, including in all the hangars.

Remember, Verizon says at their toll-free number that you are entitled
to quit them w/in 30 days and pay nothing for the calls and they will
even let you take your number to another phone company.

My advice to you:  Don't deal with Verizon.  I'm through with them.
Joseph Wheeler - 23 Nov 2007 22:58 GMT
> verizonwireless
>
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>
> My advice to you:  Don't deal with Verizon.  I'm through with them.

Sorry to hear you got a lemon of a phone. Seems to me if you just exchange
it for a good one, all will be right with the world. Hardly any reason to
bail-- and advise others to do so as well....
jl - 24 Nov 2007 00:09 GMT
> > verizonwireless
>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> it for a good one, all will be right with the world. Hardly any reason to
> bail-- and advise others to do so as well...

If it were just the lemon cellphone, you'd be correct.  I just
finished a two-year contract with Verizon in summer of 2007.  I paid
my phone bill on time religiously every month.  First year was
satisfactory, no complaints.  Second year their service quality began
to diminish.  Actually, it plummeted.  There were increasing
occurrences of dropped calls and voice mails that were two weeks late,
causing me economic damage.  Often the systems were down and for a day
or two at a time I could not call or receive calls at the airport
where I spent most of my time.  This again caused serious economic
injury.  Then when Verizon agents advised me to dial a three-digit
number to correct the tardy voice-mails, my phone's desirable software
disappeared, and what appeared in its place was undesirable software
which seemed to me designed to enhance Verizon's corporate profits, or
greed, and diminish the usefulness of the cellphone.  I asked them to
fix my phone, make it like it was when I bought it.  They refused and
acted damn cavalier about it, as if to say, "This is the way it is;
you can take it or leave it."  As a matter of fact, I have often
gotten that message in my dealings with Verizon, except for a few very
helpful people with whom I spent an entire day getting my stolen
number ported back to my phone.

Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to
AT&T without my knowledge or consent.  It took me days and days and
threats and threats of lawsuits to get the number back.  All Verizon
needed to have done to have prevented that nuisance which destroyed my
use of a cellphone for over a week was to have called me to confirm.
They did not.  They sure as hell can call anytime day or night
promoting some new service or spam me with e-mail when they want to
dig deeper into my pocket.

During the second year of my service I had to call to have bogus
charges taken off my bill.  I noticed the last several months of my
bill Verizon added charges for texting, although I neither texted nor
accepted text.

When I was acquiring this latest phone, a Pantech disguised as a
Nokia, which was supposed to be free, they charged for it, then said I
could apply for a rebate.  That's a nuisance.  And I made the mistake
of signing a new two-year contract.  Well, that contract is now
declared null and void.  A free phone is not free if you have to pay
for it then make an onerous application and wait months for a rebate.
And then something else struck me as utterly dishonest.  The clerk at
the store sold me on the phone as a GPS navigation device, and sure
enough, there on the wall by the phone it clearly said it could be
used as a GPS navigator.  Well, I use those things all the time in
aircraft, but the company who sells me the GPS doesn't sneak in a $20
per month premium for using the damn thing, as Verizon does.  My
federal taxes pay for those navigation satellites -- the signals which
my aircraft GPS interrogates is free.  When I complained about the
hidden charges, the obnoxious clerk  inaptly named Amy pulled out a
catalog and showed me in the catalog that GPS use would be extra.
Well, I have a nice Garmin Aircraft GPS I can use on the highways, and
it doesn't cost a damn cent extra.

I have wasted half of this entire day dealing with the shifty,
dishonest azzholes at Verizon.  I won't waste any more time with
them.   My considerable patience with them is now exhausted.

These are corporate rat bastards, these Verizon characters.

Piss on them.  I don't deal with crooks.
IMHO IIRC - 24 Nov 2007 00:51 GMT
>>> verizonwireless
>>
[quoted text clipped - 113 lines]
>
> Piss on them.  I don't deal with crooks.

If you had so much trouble during your first contract why in the hell did
you sign up for another two years?
You should have taken your number to another provider when your first
contract was up.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 16:10 GMT
> Innews:bd901582-1478-48ec-9be9-6aece8ef7a56@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> typed:
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>
> - Show quoted text -

Easy for you to say, not so easy for me to do, since we could not get
good coverage from Cingular, SunCom or US Cellular on our airport.
Now that more towers have gone up just in the last weeks, I understand
AT&T service at our municipal airport is good, and so is Sprint and US
Cellular.  So I will try either one of those.  I will avoid Verizon
like it's the plague, and btw, I just talked to a Verizon employee who
would not give me her identity but said she was in Alabama.  She
removed, she said, two false charges from my exorbitant bill from
Verizon --- one being a charge for GPS navigation, which I never
purchased and on the contrary specifically told the salesperson I
would not buy the service; and the other charge being a $35 activation
fee, which the Alabama lady said should never have been tacked onto my
bill.  As for the GPS navigation the Verizon salesperson, an obnoxious
person by the misnomer "Amy," she said the first month of GPS
navigation was FREE.  Another Verizon lie in their prodigious
cornucopia of lies.

I still could not get an itemized internet bill for the rest of the
unexplained mystery charges which ran the total far above my usual
monthly bill of approximately $70 including taxes and surcharges-- the
reason being that I had to sign an outrageous contract giving up my
legal rights and agreeing to arbitration in order to get it --- and I
damn sure ain't going to do that.  Still another reason Verizon is a
rat bastard.

I don't know now for sure how many legitimate reasons I have provided
showing that there is overhwhelming evidence that Verizon is a rat
bastard company.  If people wish to deal with rat bastards and pay
them good folding money (thereby encouraging other companies and
corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them
also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow.
David M. Moore - 24 Nov 2007 19:07 GMT
> I don't know now for sure how many legitimate reasons I have provided
> showing that there is overhwhelming evidence that Verizon is a rat
> bastard company.  If people wish to deal with rat bastards and pay
> them good folding money (thereby encouraging other companies and
> corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them
> also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow.

The problem with your logic here is you assume everyone has similar
problems.  What you apparently don't realize is that in addition to Verizon
Wireless customer like you, there are customers like me who have used
Verizon Wireless for 10 years (plus added a data contract last year), never
had a bad customer service experience, never been charged for a service he
didn't order, never been charged for a call he didn't make, never has
dropped calls, never received sales calls from Verizon, and never has a
problem finding a Verizon signal even though he travels for work in a 5
state area and sometimes cross-country.

Therefore, all you have shown is that *you* have had problems with Verizon.  
That does not automatically make them a "rat bastard company" to anyone
else.

And I'll save you some trouble...before you point out to me all the message
boards with people with Verizon Wireless complaints, I'll point out to you
that's because the millions more who never have a problem don't post.

If I were having the problems you are, I too would certainly change
carriers.  And I wish you luck in your persuit of cellphone bliss and
happiness.  But I'll be keeping Verizon.
XS11E - 24 Nov 2007 19:31 GMT
> Therefore, all you have shown is that *you* have had problems with
> Verizon.

Incorrect, when he referred to a sim card in his Verizon phone he
showed the entire post is a made-up lie and a very stupid one, at that.

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jl - 24 Nov 2007 23:07 GMT
> > Therefore, all you have shown is that *you* have had problems with
> > Verizon.
>
> Incorrect, when he referred to a sim card in his Verizon phone he
> showed the entire post is a made-up lie and a very stupid one, at that.

My dear hysterical and uncommonly funny shill, you are correct that I
am in error about the sim card.  A Verizon employee told me their
phones used sim cards.  He WAS in sales, but I don't know where he is
now.  Now that I have read up on the subject I know a little more
about how Verizon phones work but still do not understand why I cannot
take a phone I bought at Verizon to use with another carrier.  But
then I am not trained in that technology and don't dissimulate to be
an authority as you do, nor do I fracture the rules of logical debate
as you do either.  But the fact I cannot use a Verizon phone at
another company is no condemnation of Verizon, although its  abysmal
service and deceptive trade practices are matters to be considered on
the question of its corporate integrity.

The point is that Verizon has delivered lousy merchandise and
dishonest customer relations in exchange for my folding money.  That
they have delivered equivalent services for equivalent money for
others does not mean they don't need to be called on the rug and held
to account for malperformance in my case and on the account of others
they have mistreated.  And they tried to pull off a cheat again by
adding services which I did not purchase.  Therefore, my relationship
with them and my conversation with you ( a rather obvious little
toady) are terminated.
[snip drivel]
Scott - 24 Nov 2007 23:12 GMT
jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44-
5e9d0e7c6c46@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

> My dear hysterical and uncommonly funny shill, you are correct that I
> am in error about the sim card.  A Verizon employee told me their
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> toady) are terminated.
>  [snip drivel]

Wait- I can translate that for everybody else:

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

You're an idiot, and unless you profess to be perfect, should be able to
see that you fury is misplaced and that an acceptable resolution was
available to you.
XS11E - 24 Nov 2007 23:42 GMT
> jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44-
> 5e9d0e7c6c46@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:

<Lots of idiocy snipped>

> Wait- I can translate that for everybody else:
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> able to see that you fury is misplaced and that an acceptable
> resolution was available to you.

You notice he's a Google Grouper as well, that explains a lot.

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jl - 24 Nov 2007 23:59 GMT
> > jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44-
> > 5e9d0e7c6...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
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Gosh, yeah, and you have an oozing chancre on your arse and Scrottie
has an erotic fetish for shite.  Therefore, nothing either of you say
is worthy of belief.
Scott - 25 Nov 2007 00:58 GMT
jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:75cf2e60-f364-495f-b8a2-
95628a828e1a@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:

>> > jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44-
>> > 5e9d0e7c6...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
> has an erotic fetish for shite.  Therefore, nothing either of you say
> is worthy of belief.

And you're a pompous, self-important and clueless a.s.

We win.
jl - 25 Nov 2007 02:32 GMT
> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:75cf2e60-f364-495f-b8a2-
> 95628a828...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

At being trolls and Verizon shills in the face of overwhelming
evidence of Verizon sleaziness, yes, you do.
Scott - 25 Nov 2007 02:38 GMT
jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:ebc67c3a-8153-486e-bc07-
304e6ba8b2e0@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:

>> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:75cf2e60-f364-495f-b8a2-
>> 95628a828...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
> At being trolls and Verizon shills in the face of overwhelming
> evidence of Verizon sleaziness, yes, you do.

Oh, but you need to reread, little Grasshopper- at no point did I write
a single word about Verizon or it's business practices, wither pro or
con.  If you have spent any time in the cellular newsgroups, you'll know
which 'side' I claim as mine.  Check the archives if you need a clue.  
And I don't consider the single experience of a whiny little child
overwhelming evidence.

But keep posting.  Ever since Oxtard left, there hasn't been such an
easy target around here.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 23:14 GMT
> > I don't know now for sure how many legitimate reasons I have provided
> > showing that there is overhwhelming evidence that Verizon is a rat
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> The problem with your logic here is you assume everyone has similar
> problems.  

Read for comprehension, not to vent yourself.  I have done no such
thing.  I talk to people daily who are happy with Verizon Wireless.
Apparently, however, the class of disenchanted customers is growing
because on the turf where I rely on cellular service the most, a
growing number of Verizon customers are abandoning Verizon.  On the
airport I know of five already who use four-letter words and curses
when the name Verizon comes up.  There must be some reason for it.
Matter of fact I can give you some of the reasons because I have
experienced them myself firsthand.
Ben Skversky - 25 Nov 2007 02:14 GMT
Would you like some cheese with your "whine"?

>> Innews:bd901582-1478-48ec-9be9-6aece8ef7a56@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
>> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 164 lines]
> corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them
> also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow.
gordo - 25 Nov 2007 18:28 GMT
You should go back to "wired" phones.
You will experience none of those problems with them.

>> Innews:bd901582-1478-48ec-9be9-6aece8ef7a56@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com,
>> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 159 lines]
> corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them
> also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow.
RBM - 24 Nov 2007 03:48 GMT
>> > verizonwireless
>>
[quoted text clipped - 115 lines]
> Piss on them.  I don't deal with crooks.
> Guess you won't be getting another cell phone, period.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 11:25 GMT
> "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
[...]
> > These are corporate rat bastards, these Verizon characters.
>
> > Piss on them.  I don't deal with crooks.
> > Guess you won't be getting another cell phone, period.

You may be correct.

We have big hangar discussions at the airport, 20 of us at a time,
about cellphones, and apparently the other companies like AT&T,
SunCom, US Cellular have credibility, competency, and dishonesty
problems too.  Several of our outspoken have switched from Verizon to
AT&T, with good results.  So I may try them, or just do without a
cellphone for a while.  The overwhelming consensus is that SunCom is
scum.  Others using US Cellular say the company is not a common cheat
like some of  the others but does not have good coverage, especially
in the boonies.
George - 24 Nov 2007 13:02 GMT
> Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to
> AT&T without my knowledge or consent.  It took me days and days and
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> promoting some new service or spam me with e-mail when they want to
> dig deeper into my pocket.

Good story, but after porting a number of lines in different directions
with different carriers you always get a call which you have to
acknowledge when the port is ready.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 13:55 GMT
> > Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to
> > AT&T without my knowledge or consent.  It took me days and days and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> with different carriers you always get a call which you have to
> acknowledge when the port is ready.

You're saying *I* got such a call?  I most certainly did not, and I
would have expected the courtesy of Verizon to inform me my number was
being ported, since I had paid them religiously on my contract and
been a loyal customer for two years and several months on a month-to-
month basis.
clifto - 24 Nov 2007 18:17 GMT
>> Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to
>> AT&T without my knowledge or consent.  It took me days and days and
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> with different carriers you always get a call which you have to
> acknowledge when the port is ready.

Remember he also started out with "Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you."
SIM cards are used with GSM phones, while VZW is CDMA.

I'm pissed at Verizon these days, but I'm not stupid.

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Dean - 24 Nov 2007 18:10 GMT
If you don't deal with crooks.....I guess you don't pay your taxes, either.
Nor your utility bills.

They're all crooks. That's life today. Move on.

Call somebody. You'll feel better.

Dean

>> > verizonwireless
>>
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>
> Piss on them.  I don't deal with crooks.
clifto - 23 Nov 2007 23:52 GMT
> verizonwireless
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and
> texts you don't make.  Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you.

Wait a minute. "Sim card"? You need to get your story straight before you
talk sh.t.

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Steve Sobol - 24 Nov 2007 00:08 GMT
> verizonwireless
>
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> texts you don't make.  Sim card idea is good for them
> bad for you.

Good thing Verizon CDMA phones don't use Sim cards, then.

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4phun - 24 Nov 2007 00:29 GMT
I went to a Verizon store in Metro Atlanta today and it was full of
seven or more 'greeters' with nothing to do. They got miffed that I
did not want to talk to them. I walked over and looked at their new
flagship phone the Voyager and chuckled. What a plastic POS! While I
was checking it out to see if it even surfed the Internet properly it
crashed! I could not believe it. You would think they would have
checked that Voyager demo model out before putting it on live display.
Its not like that there wan't anyone in the room that was capable of
pulling the defective Voyager and replacing it with one that worked
properly. Maybe they all are like that after they  have been on for
awhile?

I am out of my VZ contract this month and I saw nothing that even
looked interesting compared to the Apple phone which you can not even
get from Verizon.

Nearby the T-Mobile and AT&T company stores were packed by comparison.
I didn't even look at the Sprint store.

IMHO things don't look good for Verizon this season. I am looking
elsewhere for now, especailly after reading your post.

Service is going downhill with this once fine company.

> verizonwireless
>
[quoted text clipped - 47 lines]
>
> My advice to you:  Don't deal with Verizon.  I'm through with them.
gk - 24 Nov 2007 13:18 GMT
> Service is going downhill with this once fine company.

disagree, as I have nothing but positive experience with VZW
Agent_C - 24 Nov 2007 14:14 GMT
>Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and
>texts you don't make.  Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>phone locks up or your software for ringtones and calendar are erased,
>and spam substituted in its place.

That interesting, I've been a customer of Verizon Wireless since 1994
and nothing like that has ever happened to me.

They must be conspiring against you. Register a complaint with  the
Trilateral Commission.

A_C
jl - 24 Nov 2007 15:35 GMT
> >Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and
> >texts you don't make.  Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you.
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> A_C

Ah, but my wart-nosed little shill I can't get into that forum.  It is
full and overflowing.  The 1.5 million people who have filed 1.5
million complaints against Verizon for unfair and deceptive trade
practices --- type in "verizon wireless complaints in Google for 1.6
million hits ---have so overcrowded the halls of the trilateral
commission that there is no more room.
gordo - 25 Nov 2007 18:39 GMT
> Ah, but my wart-nosed little shill I can't get into that forum.  It is
> full and overflowing.  The 1.5 million people who have filed 1.5
> million complaints against Verizon for unfair and deceptive trade
> practices --- type in "verizon wireless complaints in Google for 1.6
> million hits ---have so overcrowded the halls of the trilateral
> commission that there is no more room.

And what does this prove?
Type in "wireless complaints" in general and you get 1.7 million hits.
I'm quite sure that most other wireless providers have a much greater complaint rate than Verizon.
clifto - 25 Nov 2007 18:48 GMT
> "jl" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote...
>> Ah, but my wart-nosed little shill I can't get into that forum.  It is
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> Type in "wireless complaints" in general and you get 1.7 million hits.
> I'm quite sure that most other wireless providers have a much greater complaint rate than Verizon.

Sounds like only 100,000.

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XS11E - 24 Nov 2007 15:48 GMT
> Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you.

You only needed that one line to prove you're a liar!

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