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jl - 23 Nov 2007 22:25 GMT verizonwireless
Don't take any sh.t off those people. They:
Lie Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and texts you don't make. Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you. Give you 5 different conflicting excuses for erasing your software, not answering e-mails, delivering lousy service, delivering voice- mails 2 weeks late, putting some body on the phone with you at tech service who cannot speak or understand the English language, telling you they will call back when they don't and don't intend to, don't correct their glitches, and give you a cock-and-bull story when your phone locks up or your software for ringtones and calendar are erased, and spam substituted in its place. My phone, a Nokia 6315i, at this moment is locked up and no one can call it. I just tried. And it's just two weeks old. It shows a call from a number and two windows at the bottom, one on the right says "Ignore," and the one on the left says"Quiet." Today is Nov. 23, 2007 and the phone locked up at 4:01 p. m. for the third and last time. On the front of the phone the red light is blinking and I cannot turn the phone off.
And no, I didn't drop the damn thing. I have treated it with meticulous care.
I drove to the Verizon store which was full of glum-looking unhappy people waiting. The greeter (a stocky man w/crew cut) at the front asked me what the problem was. I told him I had had nothing but problems with this phone and he asked me, "Did you take the battery out and replace it?" No, I said, why shoujld I have to do that? He took out the battery and put it bck in and then said, "Yeah, something wrong with it." I went to kiosk to verify my bill and it gave me a bill of $131, which I damn sure won't pay because all I owe the bastards for is about two weeks of lousy, shitty service with a twitchy Nokia which isn't even a Nokia at all but a klunky, user- UNfriendly Pantech, which my old Motorola V276 runs rings around. Phone rings one time and quits, and party on other end says it rings and rings.
At R'ton it gave a message when it wouldn't work that it was searching for networks. No bars showed for reception or signal and I couldn't call or receive calls. I was at the airport where service had previously been excellent. In the hangar I can neither receive nor transmit, although with the Motorola V276 I could use the phone anywhere on the airport, including in all the hangars.
Remember, Verizon says at their toll-free number that you are entitled to quit them w/in 30 days and pay nothing for the calls and they will even let you take your number to another phone company.
My advice to you: Don't deal with Verizon. I'm through with them.
Joseph Wheeler - 23 Nov 2007 22:58 GMT > verizonwireless > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > My advice to you: Don't deal with Verizon. I'm through with them. Sorry to hear you got a lemon of a phone. Seems to me if you just exchange it for a good one, all will be right with the world. Hardly any reason to bail-- and advise others to do so as well....
jl - 24 Nov 2007 00:09 GMT > > verizonwireless > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > it for a good one, all will be right with the world. Hardly any reason to > bail-- and advise others to do so as well... If it were just the lemon cellphone, you'd be correct. I just finished a two-year contract with Verizon in summer of 2007. I paid my phone bill on time religiously every month. First year was satisfactory, no complaints. Second year their service quality began to diminish. Actually, it plummeted. There were increasing occurrences of dropped calls and voice mails that were two weeks late, causing me economic damage. Often the systems were down and for a day or two at a time I could not call or receive calls at the airport where I spent most of my time. This again caused serious economic injury. Then when Verizon agents advised me to dial a three-digit number to correct the tardy voice-mails, my phone's desirable software disappeared, and what appeared in its place was undesirable software which seemed to me designed to enhance Verizon's corporate profits, or greed, and diminish the usefulness of the cellphone. I asked them to fix my phone, make it like it was when I bought it. They refused and acted damn cavalier about it, as if to say, "This is the way it is; you can take it or leave it." As a matter of fact, I have often gotten that message in my dealings with Verizon, except for a few very helpful people with whom I spent an entire day getting my stolen number ported back to my phone.
Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to AT&T without my knowledge or consent. It took me days and days and threats and threats of lawsuits to get the number back. All Verizon needed to have done to have prevented that nuisance which destroyed my use of a cellphone for over a week was to have called me to confirm. They did not. They sure as hell can call anytime day or night promoting some new service or spam me with e-mail when they want to dig deeper into my pocket.
During the second year of my service I had to call to have bogus charges taken off my bill. I noticed the last several months of my bill Verizon added charges for texting, although I neither texted nor accepted text.
When I was acquiring this latest phone, a Pantech disguised as a Nokia, which was supposed to be free, they charged for it, then said I could apply for a rebate. That's a nuisance. And I made the mistake of signing a new two-year contract. Well, that contract is now declared null and void. A free phone is not free if you have to pay for it then make an onerous application and wait months for a rebate. And then something else struck me as utterly dishonest. The clerk at the store sold me on the phone as a GPS navigation device, and sure enough, there on the wall by the phone it clearly said it could be used as a GPS navigator. Well, I use those things all the time in aircraft, but the company who sells me the GPS doesn't sneak in a $20 per month premium for using the damn thing, as Verizon does. My federal taxes pay for those navigation satellites -- the signals which my aircraft GPS interrogates is free. When I complained about the hidden charges, the obnoxious clerk inaptly named Amy pulled out a catalog and showed me in the catalog that GPS use would be extra. Well, I have a nice Garmin Aircraft GPS I can use on the highways, and it doesn't cost a damn cent extra.
I have wasted half of this entire day dealing with the shifty, dishonest azzholes at Verizon. I won't waste any more time with them. My considerable patience with them is now exhausted.
These are corporate rat bastards, these Verizon characters.
Piss on them. I don't deal with crooks.
IMHO IIRC - 24 Nov 2007 00:51 GMT >>> verizonwireless >> [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > Piss on them. I don't deal with crooks. If you had so much trouble during your first contract why in the hell did you sign up for another two years? You should have taken your number to another provider when your first contract was up.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 16:10 GMT > Innews:bd901582-1478-48ec-9be9-6aece8ef7a56@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com, > jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> typed: [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Easy for you to say, not so easy for me to do, since we could not get good coverage from Cingular, SunCom or US Cellular on our airport. Now that more towers have gone up just in the last weeks, I understand AT&T service at our municipal airport is good, and so is Sprint and US Cellular. So I will try either one of those. I will avoid Verizon like it's the plague, and btw, I just talked to a Verizon employee who would not give me her identity but said she was in Alabama. She removed, she said, two false charges from my exorbitant bill from Verizon --- one being a charge for GPS navigation, which I never purchased and on the contrary specifically told the salesperson I would not buy the service; and the other charge being a $35 activation fee, which the Alabama lady said should never have been tacked onto my bill. As for the GPS navigation the Verizon salesperson, an obnoxious person by the misnomer "Amy," she said the first month of GPS navigation was FREE. Another Verizon lie in their prodigious cornucopia of lies.
I still could not get an itemized internet bill for the rest of the unexplained mystery charges which ran the total far above my usual monthly bill of approximately $70 including taxes and surcharges-- the reason being that I had to sign an outrageous contract giving up my legal rights and agreeing to arbitration in order to get it --- and I damn sure ain't going to do that. Still another reason Verizon is a rat bastard.
I don't know now for sure how many legitimate reasons I have provided showing that there is overhwhelming evidence that Verizon is a rat bastard company. If people wish to deal with rat bastards and pay them good folding money (thereby encouraging other companies and corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow.
David M. Moore - 24 Nov 2007 19:07 GMT > I don't know now for sure how many legitimate reasons I have provided > showing that there is overhwhelming evidence that Verizon is a rat > bastard company. If people wish to deal with rat bastards and pay > them good folding money (thereby encouraging other companies and > corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them > also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow. The problem with your logic here is you assume everyone has similar problems. What you apparently don't realize is that in addition to Verizon Wireless customer like you, there are customers like me who have used Verizon Wireless for 10 years (plus added a data contract last year), never had a bad customer service experience, never been charged for a service he didn't order, never been charged for a call he didn't make, never has dropped calls, never received sales calls from Verizon, and never has a problem finding a Verizon signal even though he travels for work in a 5 state area and sometimes cross-country.
Therefore, all you have shown is that *you* have had problems with Verizon. That does not automatically make them a "rat bastard company" to anyone else.
And I'll save you some trouble...before you point out to me all the message boards with people with Verizon Wireless complaints, I'll point out to you that's because the millions more who never have a problem don't post.
If I were having the problems you are, I too would certainly change carriers. And I wish you luck in your persuit of cellphone bliss and happiness. But I'll be keeping Verizon.
XS11E - 24 Nov 2007 19:31 GMT > Therefore, all you have shown is that *you* have had problems with > Verizon. Incorrect, when he referred to a sim card in his Verizon phone he showed the entire post is a made-up lie and a very stupid one, at that.
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jl - 24 Nov 2007 23:07 GMT > > Therefore, all you have shown is that *you* have had problems with > > Verizon. > > Incorrect, when he referred to a sim card in his Verizon phone he > showed the entire post is a made-up lie and a very stupid one, at that. My dear hysterical and uncommonly funny shill, you are correct that I am in error about the sim card. A Verizon employee told me their phones used sim cards. He WAS in sales, but I don't know where he is now. Now that I have read up on the subject I know a little more about how Verizon phones work but still do not understand why I cannot take a phone I bought at Verizon to use with another carrier. But then I am not trained in that technology and don't dissimulate to be an authority as you do, nor do I fracture the rules of logical debate as you do either. But the fact I cannot use a Verizon phone at another company is no condemnation of Verizon, although its abysmal service and deceptive trade practices are matters to be considered on the question of its corporate integrity.
The point is that Verizon has delivered lousy merchandise and dishonest customer relations in exchange for my folding money. That they have delivered equivalent services for equivalent money for others does not mean they don't need to be called on the rug and held to account for malperformance in my case and on the account of others they have mistreated. And they tried to pull off a cheat again by adding services which I did not purchase. Therefore, my relationship with them and my conversation with you ( a rather obvious little toady) are terminated. [snip drivel]
Scott - 24 Nov 2007 23:12 GMT jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44- 5e9d0e7c6c46@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com:
> My dear hysterical and uncommonly funny shill, you are correct that I > am in error about the sim card. A Verizon employee told me their [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > toady) are terminated. > [snip drivel] Wait- I can translate that for everybody else:
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
You're an idiot, and unless you profess to be perfect, should be able to see that you fury is misplaced and that an acceptable resolution was available to you.
XS11E - 24 Nov 2007 23:42 GMT > jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44- > 5e9d0e7c6c46@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com: <Lots of idiocy snipped>
> Wait- I can translate that for everybody else: > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > able to see that you fury is misplaced and that an acceptable > resolution was available to you. You notice he's a Google Grouper as well, that explains a lot.
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jl - 24 Nov 2007 23:59 GMT > > jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44- > > 5e9d0e7c6...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > XS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups > The Usenet Improvement Project:http://improve-usenet.org Gosh, yeah, and you have an oozing chancre on your arse and Scrottie has an erotic fetish for shite. Therefore, nothing either of you say is worthy of belief.
Scott - 25 Nov 2007 00:58 GMT jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:75cf2e60-f364-495f-b8a2- 95628a828e1a@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>> > jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:dc783363-1f53-4a29-9f44- >> > 5e9d0e7c6...@s19g2000prg.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > has an erotic fetish for shite. Therefore, nothing either of you say > is worthy of belief. And you're a pompous, self-important and clueless a.s.
We win.
jl - 25 Nov 2007 02:32 GMT > jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:75cf2e60-f364-495f-b8a2- > 95628a828...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > - Show quoted text - At being trolls and Verizon shills in the face of overwhelming evidence of Verizon sleaziness, yes, you do.
Scott - 25 Nov 2007 02:38 GMT jl <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:ebc67c3a-8153-486e-bc07- 304e6ba8b2e0@t47g2000hsc.googlegroups.com:
>> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in news:75cf2e60-f364-495f-b8a2- >> 95628a828...@w40g2000hsb.googlegroups.com: [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > At being trolls and Verizon shills in the face of overwhelming > evidence of Verizon sleaziness, yes, you do. Oh, but you need to reread, little Grasshopper- at no point did I write a single word about Verizon or it's business practices, wither pro or con. If you have spent any time in the cellular newsgroups, you'll know which 'side' I claim as mine. Check the archives if you need a clue. And I don't consider the single experience of a whiny little child overwhelming evidence.
But keep posting. Ever since Oxtard left, there hasn't been such an easy target around here.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 23:14 GMT > > I don't know now for sure how many legitimate reasons I have provided > > showing that there is overhwhelming evidence that Verizon is a rat [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The problem with your logic here is you assume everyone has similar > problems. Read for comprehension, not to vent yourself. I have done no such thing. I talk to people daily who are happy with Verizon Wireless. Apparently, however, the class of disenchanted customers is growing because on the turf where I rely on cellular service the most, a growing number of Verizon customers are abandoning Verizon. On the airport I know of five already who use four-letter words and curses when the name Verizon comes up. There must be some reason for it. Matter of fact I can give you some of the reasons because I have experienced them myself firsthand.
Ben Skversky - 25 Nov 2007 02:14 GMT Would you like some cheese with your "whine"?
>> Innews:bd901582-1478-48ec-9be9-6aece8ef7a56@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com, >> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> typed: [quoted text clipped - 164 lines] > corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them > also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow. gordo - 25 Nov 2007 18:28 GMT You should go back to "wired" phones. You will experience none of those problems with them.
>> Innews:bd901582-1478-48ec-9be9-6aece8ef7a56@p69g2000hsa.googlegroups.com, >> jl <jls1...@bellsouth.net> typed: [quoted text clipped - 159 lines] > corporations to join the hordes of rat bastards too), then let them > also deal with the fleas and the disease germs that follow. RBM - 24 Nov 2007 03:48 GMT >> > verizonwireless >> [quoted text clipped - 115 lines] > Piss on them. I don't deal with crooks. > Guess you won't be getting another cell phone, period. jl - 24 Nov 2007 11:25 GMT > "jl" <jls1...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message [...]
> > These are corporate rat bastards, these Verizon characters. > > > Piss on them. I don't deal with crooks. > > Guess you won't be getting another cell phone, period. You may be correct.
We have big hangar discussions at the airport, 20 of us at a time, about cellphones, and apparently the other companies like AT&T, SunCom, US Cellular have credibility, competency, and dishonesty problems too. Several of our outspoken have switched from Verizon to AT&T, with good results. So I may try them, or just do without a cellphone for a while. The overwhelming consensus is that SunCom is scum. Others using US Cellular say the company is not a common cheat like some of the others but does not have good coverage, especially in the boonies.
George - 24 Nov 2007 13:02 GMT > Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to > AT&T without my knowledge or consent. It took me days and days and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > promoting some new service or spam me with e-mail when they want to > dig deeper into my pocket. Good story, but after porting a number of lines in different directions with different carriers you always get a call which you have to acknowledge when the port is ready.
jl - 24 Nov 2007 13:55 GMT > > Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to > > AT&T without my knowledge or consent. It took me days and days and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with different carriers you always get a call which you have to > acknowledge when the port is ready. You're saying *I* got such a call? I most certainly did not, and I would have expected the courtesy of Verizon to inform me my number was being ported, since I had paid them religiously on my contract and been a loyal customer for two years and several months on a month-to- month basis.
clifto - 24 Nov 2007 18:17 GMT >> Someone in my family, a saboteur, got my SSN and ported my number to >> AT&T without my knowledge or consent. It took me days and days and [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > with different carriers you always get a call which you have to > acknowledge when the port is ready. Remember he also started out with "Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you." SIM cards are used with GSM phones, while VZW is CDMA.
I'm pissed at Verizon these days, but I'm not stupid.
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Dean - 24 Nov 2007 18:10 GMT If you don't deal with crooks.....I guess you don't pay your taxes, either. Nor your utility bills.
They're all crooks. That's life today. Move on.
Call somebody. You'll feel better.
Dean
>> > verizonwireless >> [quoted text clipped - 114 lines] > > Piss on them. I don't deal with crooks. clifto - 23 Nov 2007 23:52 GMT > verizonwireless > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and > texts you don't make. Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you. Wait a minute. "Sim card"? You need to get your story straight before you talk sh.t.
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Steve Sobol - 24 Nov 2007 00:08 GMT > verizonwireless > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > texts you don't make. Sim card idea is good for them > bad for you. Good thing Verizon CDMA phones don't use Sim cards, then.
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4phun - 24 Nov 2007 00:29 GMT I went to a Verizon store in Metro Atlanta today and it was full of seven or more 'greeters' with nothing to do. They got miffed that I did not want to talk to them. I walked over and looked at their new flagship phone the Voyager and chuckled. What a plastic POS! While I was checking it out to see if it even surfed the Internet properly it crashed! I could not believe it. You would think they would have checked that Voyager demo model out before putting it on live display. Its not like that there wan't anyone in the room that was capable of pulling the defective Voyager and replacing it with one that worked properly. Maybe they all are like that after they have been on for awhile?
I am out of my VZ contract this month and I saw nothing that even looked interesting compared to the Apple phone which you can not even get from Verizon.
Nearby the T-Mobile and AT&T company stores were packed by comparison. I didn't even look at the Sprint store.
IMHO things don't look good for Verizon this season. I am looking elsewhere for now, especailly after reading your post.
Service is going downhill with this once fine company.
> verizonwireless > [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > My advice to you: Don't deal with Verizon. I'm through with them. gk - 24 Nov 2007 13:18 GMT > Service is going downhill with this once fine company. disagree, as I have nothing but positive experience with VZW
Agent_C - 24 Nov 2007 14:14 GMT >Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and >texts you don't make. Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >phone locks up or your software for ringtones and calendar are erased, >and spam substituted in its place. That interesting, I've been a customer of Verizon Wireless since 1994 and nothing like that has ever happened to me.
They must be conspiring against you. Register a complaint with the Trilateral Commission.
A_C
jl - 24 Nov 2007 15:35 GMT > >Spam your phone; fill it full of spam and charge you for calls and > >texts you don't make. Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > A_C Ah, but my wart-nosed little shill I can't get into that forum. It is full and overflowing. The 1.5 million people who have filed 1.5 million complaints against Verizon for unfair and deceptive trade practices --- type in "verizon wireless complaints in Google for 1.6 million hits ---have so overcrowded the halls of the trilateral commission that there is no more room.
gordo - 25 Nov 2007 18:39 GMT > Ah, but my wart-nosed little shill I can't get into that forum. It is > full and overflowing. The 1.5 million people who have filed 1.5 > million complaints against Verizon for unfair and deceptive trade > practices --- type in "verizon wireless complaints in Google for 1.6 > million hits ---have so overcrowded the halls of the trilateral > commission that there is no more room. And what does this prove? Type in "wireless complaints" in general and you get 1.7 million hits. I'm quite sure that most other wireless providers have a much greater complaint rate than Verizon.
clifto - 25 Nov 2007 18:48 GMT > "jl" <jls1016@bellsouth.net> wrote... >> Ah, but my wart-nosed little shill I can't get into that forum. It is [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Type in "wireless complaints" in general and you get 1.7 million hits. > I'm quite sure that most other wireless providers have a much greater complaint rate than Verizon. Sounds like only 100,000.
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XS11E - 24 Nov 2007 15:48 GMT > Sim card idea is good for them; bad for you. You only needed that one line to prove you're a liar!
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