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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / May 2008Sprint to impose 5 GB limit
Following in the footsteps of the mighty Verizon... http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/  SignatureDave Rudisill Moderator, CellSatWiFi forum http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CellSatWiFi Why would anyone in this group care what Sprint does? SignatureXS11E, Killing all posts from Google Groups The Usenet Improvement Project: http://improve-usenet.org > Following in the footsteps of the mighty Verizon... > > http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/ I wonder how much this story is related to your story? http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080521/tech_test_instant_netflix.html?.v=2 Comcrap is also actively trashing downloading and threatening to impose monthly limits..... >Following in the footsteps of the mighty Verizon... > >http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/ I guess the realities of maintaining a wireless data network finally kicked in. A_C > I guess the realities of maintaining a wireless data network finally > kicked in. I agree...its not about Net Neutrality, blocking competing services, or not being able to make a profit from value added services. Its all about the network. For those that insinuate the carrier needs to increase its capacity, that's often not an option. DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:yKBZj.1628$co7.546 @nlpi066.nbdc.sbc.com: > I agree...its not about Net Neutrality, blocking competing services, > or not being able to make a profit from value added services. Its all > about the network. I really don't blame them for trashing any outside service they're trying to retail for much more money. Why should I let you watch free TV and listen to free radio streams when I'm selling those stupid TV clips on 700 Mhz for more or some radio subscription service? They are reacting just like corporations always react when threatened. Network my a.s. When's the last time you got refused a connection because the network was busy? They're only selling the network cheap to individuals because they have lots of surplus bandwidth business refuses to pay through the nose for and they want to recover some of the lost revenues letting you have 5GB/month/individual for cheap. Bandwidth went unsold when we tried to sell it by the KB, so when that didn't work we tried other schemes to unload something that cannot be stored, for less....same as any business would, not just sellular. > Network my a.s. When's the last time you got refused a connection because > the network was busy? They're only selling the network cheap to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > didn't work we tried other schemes to unload something that cannot be > stored, for less....same as any business would, not just sellular. Your a.s??? Yep, but what it is is you talking out of it - again. You don't have a clue. Bandwidth and backhaul is one of the MAJOR expenses incurred by the carriers. They write LARGE check each and every month for it. There isn't this huge surplus you prattle on about... What do I know? Well, since I sell bandwidth to these carriers - quite a bit. > Your a.s??? > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > What do I know? Well, since I sell bandwidth to these carriers - quite > a bit. Good! Explain to them about the bandwidth auctions..... >> Your a.s??? >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Good! Explain to them about the bandwidth auctions..... You mean the FREQUENCY auctions....? I can see where you want to lead this, but sorry.... (bla bla - we the people own the airwaves, bla de bla) All the traffic, (both voice and data) has to be transported to a switch (backhaul) and from the switch to the PSTN and Internet- both requiring huge amounts of - yes "bandwidth". > You mean the FREQUENCY auctions....? > I can see where you want to lead this, but sorry.... > (bla bla - we the people own the airwaves, bla de bla) Wrong, a.shole.....we're talking about GB of DATA. BANDWIDTH auctions are held continuously to sell unused bandwidth, which can't be stored of course, to recover some of the costs of the bandwidth owners. http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/xpl/freeabs_all.jsp?arnumber=1409248 The big corporation has a nationwide bandwidth network it pays a lot of money for. This weekend, it's virtually shutdown for the holiday so all that bandwidth goes to waste, already paid for by the contract. So, the big corporation sells Mom's Tire and Internet Service or Verizon Wireless bandwidth for a bargain so Mom can maximize profits over the holiday weekend by NOT having to buy more bandwidth to satisfy her customers' heavy usage while they're all home on holiday. You guys don't really think ISPs, Sellphone carriers, cable companies, phone companies let you use all this bandwidth at home so cheap with them paying full price for bandwidth all the time, do you. I didn't think you were that stupid. Unused, after hours bandwidth, the kind the consumers use on weekends and when they get home from work, is bought and sold in online bandwidth auctions between the carriers and bandwidth-rich corporations to level the load. It has nothing to do with RADIO bandwidth, a.shole-as-usual. Sellphone companies are trying to increase the already horrendous profits by limiting use of bandwidth so they don't have to buy enough to keep up with the ever-increasing demand of streaming, VoIP, downloading, P2P, gaming, etc. They simply forbid use or limit per customer use to some rediculously low level to keep them from sucking at the bandwidth tit. This lets us get $70/month X 5000 customers out of a minimal size pipe we buy from bandwidth auctions for peanuts, except during the business day when none or little is available and they have to pay full price. It's not anywhere NEAR as profitable as $1,282,000/GB sold to the really stupid SMS users at 20c for 156 bytes/message. Internet customers won't pay that much for such little bandwidth.....no matter how omnipotent the fat corporation thinks it is...... Bandwidth is really cheap after business hours and on weekends and holidays....which is EXACTLY why Sellphone carriers let you talk unlimited on digital, the same bandwidth as data uses, all day Saturday....on bandwidth going to waste. You still don't get it. Everything you are ranting about is the overall network bandwidth. Its the all about the BACKHAUL bandwidth to and from each tower. DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:JFZZj.1202$uE5.249 @flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com: > You still don't get it. > > Everything you are ranting about is the overall network bandwidth. > > Its the all about the BACKHAUL bandwidth to and from each tower. I'll bite. What IS this mysterious "backhaul bandwidth to and from the tower".....SPECIFICALLY. Is it a 1.5Mbps T1? T3? Tell us, please. > DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:JFZZj.1202$uE5.249 > @flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll bite. What IS this mysterious "backhaul bandwidth to and from the > tower".....SPECIFICALLY. Is it a 1.5Mbps T1? T3? Tell us, please. There is nothing mysterious about the back haul, its simply the way all cells connect back to the NOC. For some towers it might be a T1, for others near the fiber right of way it might be a fiber tap. > DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:JFZZj.1202$uE5.249 > @flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll bite. What IS this mysterious "backhaul bandwidth to and from the > tower".....SPECIFICALLY. Is it a 1.5Mbps T1? T3? Tell us, please. You are bitching and calling people names and you don't even understand how a cell system works? > DTC <me@nothingtoseehere.zzx> wrote in news:JFZZj.1202$uE5.249 > @flpi144.ffdc.sbc.com: [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > I'll bite. What IS this mysterious "backhaul bandwidth to and from the > tower".....SPECIFICALLY. Is it a 1.5Mbps T1? T3? Tell us, please. You ARE kidding, right?? Nothing "mysterious" here at all - (unless you are a conspiracy loon)... Nothing "mysterious" about a T1 or two, or a DS3, or an OC12 or OC48 metro ring. Or a microwave hop here and there out to the boonies. Networks can be very elaborate - but certainly not "mysterious".... The answer to your (obviously VERY clueless) question is - it all depends. A site out in the country may have a single T1. (Remember a T1 is 24 channels). Obviously, a big city site will have considerably more demand on it than 24 simultaneous conversations. So, 2X or 3X T1, or maybe a DS3?? Then, there is the data bandwidth needed for, say EVDO traffic in VZW's case. More pipe needed there. Yep, no mystery here. Maybe just some artful engineering... Sometimes, I seriously wish I wasn't under NDA. Let's just say you know pipe organs. I know bandwidth, backhaul, fiber and backbones. This is MY gig.... >> You mean the FREQUENCY auctions....? >> I can see where you want to lead this, but sorry.... [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > unlimited on digital, the same bandwidth as data uses, all day > Saturday....on bandwidth going to waste. Sorry bucko, about as far from reality as possible. And, I don't have to call you any names...... just show you to be totally wrong - again. When I sell a T1, DS3, OC3/12/48/etc, or maybe a 100M or GigE pipe, they pay for the ports AND bandwidth used on THAT pipe. Pipes used to connect sites to switches, to build metro rings or connect switches to the PSTN. These port charges are fixed and if the customer is paying for the entire pipe's bandwidth capacity, this is a fixed (via contract) charge as well. No "auction". This is the way the vast majority of the networking world works - if not all. You are blathering on about BACKBONE bandwidth - and I'll tell you that most is purchased the same way - ex: OC3/12/48 or 192 is $X for the ports, $X for the bandwidth. Sign here for a 3 or 5 year term. Same for DWDM wavelengths and even lowly T1s. You mention frame in the past - know what a CIR is? Guess what - you pay for it as well. The CONCEPT of bandwidth auctions has been rattling around for years. Back in 99-2000 one of the biggies in this was - ding! Enron. Where are they now?? You site a white paper on the concept - it is far from actual reality - just like you... Larry, get a clue. 'Cause in this discussion - you haven't got even a tiny one. Just your normal conspiracy prattlle - must be tough to be so paranoid! > You (Larry) are blathering on about BACKBONE bandwidth Yep and he doesn't have a clue how its different from a back haul. > Following in the footsteps of the mighty Verizon... > > http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/ Thanks to all those who download large files via their cell phone rather than using their home computers. > http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/ "For now, the only 'unlimited' broadband cellular plan is offered by Alltel. 3Gstore recently signed a contract to become an Alltel agent, and we will begin to sell and support Alltel EVDO service in the coming weeks." Yep. Costs me $25/mo tethered via BT DUN from my Nokia N800 Linux tablet to the MotoROKR Z6m bought specifically for the purpose. Alltel's country club is fine! Come on over! If you're gonna jump ship, lemme know and I'll split the $25 finders fee with ya...(c; EVDO unlimited.....even in the South Carolina boondocks! Speed is pretty stable at 700-800Kbps days and 900-1100Kbps nights after business quits chasing the dollars.... My tablet tells me the IP and the connect is PPP like DSL. It dumps you if you don't do anything for about 3 minutes and must reconnect when there's a call for it, again....10 seconds. Hmm...just got my bill, lemme look.... Ah, here 'tiz. "Wireless Data Home Usage" - 21,591,929 KB last month....and noone bitched. I stream audio/video in my vehicles a lot, even in the countryside. Works great and rarely drops, except when I pass from this system to that system. It doesn't hand off the IP so you get a new one, very fast, but of course the streaming server can't find you when it dropped so you have to press PLAY again to retrieve the stream to the new IP. Wonder what Sprint's WiMax is gonna be strapped at?? >> http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/ > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >Ah, here 'tiz. "Wireless Data Home Usage" - 21,591,929 KB last >month....and noone bitched. I really, really, really hope Alltel starts imposing a bandwidth cap if for no other reason than to piss you off. >I stream audio/video in my vehicles a lot, even in the countryside. >Works great and rarely drops, except when I pass from this system to that >system. It doesn't hand off the IP so you get a new one, very fast, but >of course the streaming server can't find you when it dropped so you have >to press PLAY again to retrieve the stream to the new IP. I trust you realize watching television while driving in SC is illegal (SC Code of Laws 56-5-4440). --- > Ah, here 'tiz. "Wireless Data Home Usage" - 21,591,929 KB Ok, so where do you get your streaming video from? TIA > Ok, so where do you get your streaming video from? TIA YouTube broadcast media Orb running on several systems I have access to BBC lots of other places provide streaming video... Shoutcast Xiph etc. Outside the stupid USA and it's locked up copyright system, lots of broadcasters are online 24/7. Jpopski TV is fun, even if you don't speak Japanese....just for the pretty girls.... It's like MTV without the spam. I even get Channel 11 TV from the Ukraine. I'm on rdesktop on the tablet and can't get to the home screen to get you the URLs. Sorry... > > Ok, so where do you get your streaming video from? TIA > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I'm on rdesktop on the tablet and can't get to the home screen to get > you the URLs. Sorry... Thanks for the info and I see you didn't mention a Slingbox or did you just forget about it? > Thanks for the info and I see you didn't mention a Slingbox or did you > just forget about it? Orb replaces Slingbox if you have a TV card in the Winbox. Why pay quadruple for the same disk space? > I even get Channel 11 TV from the Ukraine. Well there you have it. Its all those people watching Ukrainian TV that's sucking up the bandwidth. > Following in the footsteps of the mighty Verizon... > > http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/2343/64/ Not quite. If Sprint wanted to "follow" Verizon they would also remove Bluetooth PAN from their phones and then charge $20.00 a month more than they are now for their "unlimited" data plan. > Not quite. If Sprint wanted to "follow" Verizon they would also remove > Bluetooth PAN from their phones and then charge $20.00 a month more than > they are now for their "unlimited" data plan. Is Sprint TRYING to loose business? Are they trying to go out of business? If so, they are on teh right track. Reminds me of when desperate people are in desperate deep doo-doo, they to desperate and stupid things. I shot of a letter to Sprint's upper managements. Bob Johnson - Chief Service Officer replied: "Mr. xxx, my apologies for the concerns over the data cap. Please expect a call from my team shortly." |
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