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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / October 2003Data connectivity speed
I've been on NSR for over two years with a Kyocera 2035a. Data connection speed is always 14,400. I use a serial cable with a USB adaptor to a laptop. Is connection speed a product of the network or the modem in the cell phone. In other words, can I speed this up with a different phone? Which (inexpensive) phone would be good? I tried the Venturi compression software, but got fed up with the constant problems that required rebooting the computer. Express Network is NOT an option for me. Don't send e-mail. The address is a spam account. > I've been on NSR for over two years with a Kyocera 2035a. Data connection > speed is always 14,400. I use a serial cable with a USB adaptor to a laptop. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Don't send e-mail. The address is a spam account. So what's the problem? you are already running as fast as it will go, if you just want a bigger number on the screen, some people show the DTE speed of 19.2 instead of the DCE speed of 14.4. As far as speeding it up, if you want to actually speed it up (instead of making the number on your screen bigger), get a different phone that is express network capable. I Used to have a Kyocera 2035a and got a new phone from verizon (no cost), the Kyocera 2235, uses the same cables/software/chargers etc as my old phone, only thing I had to change was the case (new phone is a bit smaller than the old phone). Did I mention the new phone was FREE and express capable? While I was at the verizon place I had them add the Express Network Minutes of use option on my account (that was free too). | > I've been on NSR for over two years with a Kyocera 2035a. Data connection | > speed is always 14,400. I use a serial cable with a USB adaptor to a [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] | capable? While I was at the verizon place I had them add the Express Network | Minutes of use option on my account (that was free too). I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of use of Express Network as I am having? Does your connection drop every time your surfing pauses for a few seconds (15 to 30) and cause you to have to reconnect? That is what I am finding with EN using a new VX4400 hooked to a laptop computer. I have checked my setup repeatedly and am certain it is correct. Works fine as long as there is constant download activity. Thanks, John Mine does but the reconnect is much faster than the original one. I think the phone says "dormant" or similar when it does this. I read about it somewhere - it's a system bandwidth saver, if my feeble memory is working today... PoD > | > I've been on NSR for over two years with a Kyocera 2035a. Data > connection [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 Try using 777 as the number rather than the actual phone number, it's immediate (sort of, takes less than a second tho) instead of the actual dial-up number. It will still pause between packets when no activity, but reconnect in milliseconds when you do something else. (It's a direct connection to the verizon network which then talks to other networks). I travel around with my Laptop and it's nice to always dial one number no matter where you are at instead of looking for local ones. > Mine does but the reconnect is much faster than the original one. I think > the phone says "dormant" or similar when it does this. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > PoD > | > I've been on NSR for over two years with a Kyocera 2035a. Data > connection [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.530 / Virus Database: 325 - Release Date: 10/22/2003 While it does time out now and then from no activity, I used to call my ISP directly and it would take about 15 seconds to connect (or reconnect after a time out), now I use the #777 to dial and reconnection takes less than a second (heck first connect when dialing takes less than a sec too). If you are taking that long to reconnect you are probably calling your ISP direct instead of using the #777. (Try using 777 as the number to call rather than the 10 digit number). >"L'l John" <je_norris:nospam@removethis:hotmail.com> wrote: >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of use of >Express Network as I am having? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >is constant download activity. >Thanks, Is it disconnecting, or just going in to "Dormant mode"? If it's the latter, you just have to hit F5 (refresh), click on a link, or otherwise request it to transfer data. The length of time it takes to come out of dormant mode seems to me to be related to the quality of the Express Network (now National Access) signal. With a weak signal, it can take so long that the software on the PC gives up and thinks it has lost the connection. Just try again; no need to do anything else. BTW, EN signal strength seems to be unrelated to the number of signal strength bars displayed on the phone or to the signal strength percent display in the Mobile Office interface. Hope this helps. | >"L'l John" <je_norris:nospam@removethis:hotmail.com> wrote: | [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] | | Hope this helps. I guess that is my problem. Sometimes I have noticed the dormant mode and it does connect quickly. But maybe my signal is not strong enough to maintain a connection, and when it drops and I have to reconnect, it can take several seconds to a full minute. I have only connected from my home since I got the ability to do so. Verizon has minimal coverage here. Maybe when I travel away from here and into a stronger area, it will do better. Thanks, John "L'l John" says: >| >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of use of >| >Express Network as I am having? >| >Does your connection drop every time your surfing pauses for a few In windows, to stop your connection from going into dormat mode setup a constant ping. Open a DOS window, and tpye in "ping sun.com -t" <return>. This keeps the connection up. Not needed in most instances but works, may be other ways to do it. Regards Wiley > "L'l John" says: > >| >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of use of [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Wiley While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of your ISP first, that works for a large number of people and is easy enough to try. > > "L'l John" says: > > >| >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of use [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of your ISP > first, that works for a large number of people and is easy enough to try. You can get Express Network to connect to your ISP? I've only been able to use it with #777. I would appreciate knowing how to make it work as I could then dial my company server which places me inside the firewall where I can get to some stuff that isn't available from the outside. Thanks!  SignatureThomas M. Goethe >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of your >> ISP first, that works for a large number of people and is easy enough to [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > could then dial my company server which places me inside the firewall where > I can get to some stuff that isn't available from the outside. Thanks! No, Express Network is only via verizon, with #777. There is no way to dial any other ISP with it. (It's not a call like with a modem; it just wouldn't work that way.) SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com > >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of your > >> ISP first, that works for a large number of people and is easy enough to [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > dial any other ISP with it. (It's not a call like with a modem; it just > wouldn't work that way.) You don't DIAL any other ISP, you put in the SERVER names off verizon and set it to never dial a connection automatically. (see the other reply to this note) >> >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of > your [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > set it to never dial a connection automatically. (see the other reply to > this note) Doesn't work that way! His company's servers are not on the internet like every address you cited above. Many large corps have dial in access via modem to the intRAnet and their modem pools are not exposed to the intERnet. You cannot simply put in the addresses of the companies email servers in whatever client you use and expect access from the internet. Those servers he needs are not exposed to the internet. The domain names inside probably resolve to a class C address via an internal dns server in which case they would not work on the internet even if they opened a giant hole in the firewall. The only exeption would be incoming email through the firewall. Another point is that with #777 which is #PPP on a keypad, you are still acessing the internet through Verizon and using their network to get on the backbone. Sure, you can access any other isp email, ftp and so on once you are on the backbone but you are not using Earthlink's, Comcast's or anyone elses network to be ON the internet so he is correct. Most CDMA carriers do not restrict what servers you can access. If they do, just find a transparent free proxy at port 3128 in which case, you are tunneling via ssh to that proxy so your carrier is not resolving dns, the proxy is and your carrier only knows that you are sending and receiving data, but no clue as to what is in it. If you ever do this, try to use one in your country. I recently used a proxy in Italy and went to Real.com and they gave me a page in Italian because it resolved to a .it domain when Real, unlike most web sites do a "whois" on a numerical ip and saw it was in Italy. The only reason I do this is to get around image compression as I am using a card in a PCMCIA reader in a full PC with a large monitor with another CDMA carrier who messes with image compression on http only. Https and ftp, news and email are not affected by this. They annoy me, I tunnel around it, simple! Dave > >> >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of > > your [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Dave Well then you probably ought to tell some of the companies I worked for (Amex, Alltel, Disney, and the SSA come to mind) that have an internet presence for outsiders, and supervisors (or people on call can get in from elsewhere) can put in a password to get at things behind the firewall on the corporate intrAnet as if they were in their office or dialed in directly. At any rate, it costs nothing to try it (calling #777 instead of the direct number), and minimize the connection dropping/restoring. >> >> >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of >> > your [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > directly. At any rate, it costs nothing to try it (calling #777 instead of > the direct number), and minimize the connection dropping/restoring. Yes, some companies do have a web presence for employees but his, like Boeing and many others, do not. Nobody is questioning logging in to Data as being ON the internet is not at issue. When you dial into an internal modem pool, you are NOT using the internet any more than if you call aunt millie in ohio. Whether or not a company has a web presence for Employees to log into depends on how important security to their network is and preference by those in charge. The data at some places is so sensitive that carelessness in safeguarding it could put a company out of business overnight or worse, put people at risk. Dave > >> >> >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead of > >> > your [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] > > Dave I understand what you mean about a needing a web presence for employees to use the companies intrAnet via the internet, but object to your claim that "many do not". My experience is that many DO, and it is the small minority that do NOT. As a matter of fact I have seen many that have BOTH direct dial-in AND a web address. That allows people to work from places that have web access but not dial-up (DSL and Cable connected computers are two examples I can think of). It doesn't cost anything to call tech support and ask if it is feasible. At any rate, I was responding to this question: > >> >> > You can get Express Network to connect to your ISP? I've only > > been > >> > able > >> >> > to use it with #777. I would appreciate knowing how to make it work I use it myself all the time to access my ISP (and various company websites/intrAnets) and was trying to make it generic enough that other people can use the answer also. By the way, have you ever used the secure logon for Boeing? Check out http://www.boeing.com/special/bpn/network/networkFAQ_netdiagram.htm It looks like you can access the Boeing intrAnet via the intErnet. >> >> >> >> While a ping will work, you may want to try dialing #777 instead > of [quoted text clipped - 127 lines] > http://www.boeing.com/special/bpn/network/networkFAQ_netdiagram.htm > It looks like you can access the Boeing intrAnet via the intErnet. Uh no, that does not give access to the entire intranet, it is mainly to link Customer's intranets to allowed services via an allowed provider to limited resources they are privvy to and nothing else. There is no question that most companies have web acess to some services but since he specifically stated that his does not have web access to what he actually needs, this is getting silly. Dave > At any rate, it costs nothing to try it (calling #777 instead of the > direct number), and minimize the connection dropping/restoring. There is no such thing as a "direct number" for Express Network. It is only #777. You can get on the Internet three completely different ways with Verizon Wireless. The first is what they call "Mobile Office" or "Quick 2 net" or whatever; you dial #777 and the result is a circuit-switched data call (uses a voice channel) to Verizon's network. The ISP is Verizon, and the speed limit here is 14.4k. The second is to dial an ISP directly. You dial the number as a data call; a circuit-switched data connection is made, connecting you to a Verizon pool of analog modems, one of which dials the number for you and connects you to your ISP. You're just using VZW to get you to the ISP. The speed limit here is also 14.4k, but the connection and reliability will be worse because of the added "leg" in the call and because an analog modem is involved. The third way is Express Network (now called NationalAccess). This is accessed *only* by dialing #777 with 1xRTT-capable equipment (and the appropriate init string). In this case, it creates a packet-switched data connection to Verizon's network, Verizon is the ISP, and the speed limit is 144k (ten times faster than circuit-switched data). It is not possible to use Express Network to connect to anyone other than Verizon as the ISP. None of this has any bearing on server names. SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com >> At any rate, it costs nothing to try it (calling #777 instead of the >> direct number), and minimize the connection dropping/restoring. [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] >possible to use Express Network to connect to anyone other than Verizon >as the ISP. The key point of the above being that in all three cases, the data is transmitted as bytes over the air from the phone to the cell site, not as tones. In case two, at the VZW switch the data is passed to an analog modem which places a normal landline phone call to your ISP and converts the data to modem tones; in the other two cases, the data goes directly into VZW's internet infrastructure. Note that data calls are handled specially by the phone: dialing #777 from the keypad will get an error message, and dialing your ISP from the keypad will get modem tones, but dialing #777 or a phone number from your computer will be handled as a data call as described above. If your company insists that you dial in to their modems, you are not going to be faster than 14.4Kb; if they provide a secure VPN (Virtual Private Network) solution, then you could use Express Network to connect to their VPN server at Express Network rates (up to 144Kb). > > > "L'l John" says: > > > >| >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of use [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > could then dial my company server which places me inside the firewall where > I can get to some stuff that isn't available from the outside. Thanks! I use Earthlink and have my settings set to: POP Server: pop.earthlink.net SMTP Server: smtpauth.earthlink.net IRC Server: irc.earthlink.net NNTP News Server: news.west.earthlink.net (or east, requires authentication using e-mail address) FTP Server: ftp-www.earthlink.net Personal Web Page Format: http://home.earthlink.net/~(userid) When my friend is using my machine for email (he has a mail account elsewhere) and uses pop.dawghaus.net When my sister is visiting I can just add both her comcast and erols mail servers to my list (Erols Mail Server POP.EROLS.COM & SMTP.EROLS.COM Comcast Mail Mail.Comcast.net & SMTP.Comcast.net, actually there is a 3rd one, she works for the government and I add her work mail server too but she asked me to keep that secret) For news I use the German news server at: German Newserver: News.CIS.DFN.DE For Hotmail (I use Outlook express and it allows me to install a hotmail server that resolves as http://services.msn.com/svcs/hotmail/httpmail.asp) I never have to put in a dial up number, and can use the #777 or my 802.11b at many different hotspots, or a dial-up or a network when in a hotel or at work, or my cable modem with adelphia cable at home etc. to connect and never have to change anything. Should work with yours too, do you have windows XP? if 98 or ME then you have to install the LAN stuff and use a LAN instead of a specific dial-up. As a matter of fact, I've been using venturi compression with the cellphone for over a year now and have NEVER had a problem as some people report with standard dial-up. >> > > "L'l John" says: >> > > >| >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > cellphone for over a year now and have NEVER had a problem as some people > report with standard dial-up. That's not what he means! If he has to dial into a company's modem pool to get on the inside of the firewall, that is the ONLY way to do it unless they also offer password access at the firewall which he can then log in at a prompt when using the specific address. We had the same thing at Boeing where management could dial into the intranet. There is no way that you can use the server addresses of the Boeing email system from the internet like you can with most isps, they are on the internet and themselves use the internet as a means of communication for their servers to everyone. Few people here do not know that you can put any server addresses for various functions not related to how you connect to the internet. The addresses you state are all on the internet so of course you can access them! The stuff he needs is NOT on the internet but rather, the company intranet in which he can ONLY dial into their modem pool which is attached to the intranet only, not internet like all isps modem pools are. Dave Dave, Thank you sir! Well explained! SignatureThomas M. Goethe > >> > > "L'l John" says: > >> > > >| >I'm just wondering if you are having the same characteristics of [quoted text clipped - 85 lines] > > Dave > I never have to put in a dial up number, and can use the #777 or my 802.11b > at many different hotspots, or a dial-up or a network when in a hotel or at [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Should work with yours too, do you have windows XP? if 98 or ME then you > have to install the LAN stuff and use a LAN instead of a specific dial-up. No, we are set up so that you have to dial in and connect through a secure RAS. We do not have VPN set either. You have to dial the number. Allegedly Sprint is adding a modem pool through its Vision service. SignatureThomas M. Goethe > No, we are set up so that you have to dial in and connect through a > secure RAS. We do not have VPN set either. You have to dial the number. > > Allegedly Sprint is adding a modem pool through its Vision service. That's what you're going to need, and Verizon doesn't have it for Express network at the moment. With Verizon you would have to use a much slower and less reliable circuit-switched data call to dial directly into the company dialup. You must have some pretty bastardly Information Security folks at your company. :) SignatureJeremy | jeremy@exit109.com > You must have some pretty bastardly Information Security folks at your > company. :) They are interesting. We may have been the last major newspaper to put the Internet on everyone's desk. Email, until about three or four years ago was handled by a kludge through an emulation of a mid-80's mainframe editorial system. Today we use Lotus Notes or Lotus Webmail, both of which are really awful compared to MS or Eudora products. We still use that editorial system. For my department to use it (we are among the few folks there on Macs) we have to run the emulation of the mid-80's mainframe software on a PC emulation on the Mac. The keystrokes get pretty hard to remember. When it still ran on dedicated terminals they had about 200 keys on some of the editing terminals for different commands. There were banks of function keys. Now you have to remember to do an Apple, option, shift B for some obscure function. What's really delightful is that the keystroke combination depends on what version of Virtual PC and which Mac OS you are using. We have several of those just in my one part of the operation. Setting up a RAS server was an amazing act of openness. There was talk of a VPN, but not for most of us. |
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