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Cellular Phone Forum / Providers / Verizon / October 2003PalmOS/Phone performance
I'm having some problems with my T720 and installed car kit, where the phone will periodically simply turn off (not power down!) when sitting in the car kit, and also sometimes not draw power from the car ("Unable to charge" message on the inside screen). Since this is already a replacement handset, I'm considering skipping the whole "fix or replace it under warrantee" thing and get something different. Since I also use a PalmOS PDA, my first thought on a replacement is to finally get a convergent device. Does anyone have the Kyocera 7135? It's the only PalmOS/Phone combo listed by Verizon, at least for my area. How is it as a Palm PDA? How is it as a phone? And/or, does anyone have any information about if/when Verizon will get any PalmOS phones using OS5? Perhaps maybe the Treo 600?  SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol [reading] "Declaration of War... the short form." (President Widmark, "Buckaroo Banzai") >> Since I also use a PalmOS PDA, my first thought on a replacement is to >> finally get a convergent device. Does anyone have the Kyocera 7135? >> It's the only PalmOS/Phone combo listed by Verizon, at least for my >> area. How is it as a Palm PDA? How is it as a phone? A guy I work with has a 7135 and loves it. He sits in meetings and checks his email <G>. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Happy Louie said: ; >> Since I also use a PalmOS PDA, my first thought on a replacement is to ; >> finally get a convergent device. Does anyone have the Kyocera 7135? ; >> It's the only PalmOS/Phone combo listed by Verizon, at least for my ; >> area. How is it as a Palm PDA? How is it as a phone? ; ; A guy I work with has a 7135 and loves it. ; He sits in meetings and checks his email <G>. How's the voice quality in and out? Reception? Transmission? SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "Damnit, Vaagen, You never told me the little bugger was going to be hyperactive!" (Cordelia Vorkosigan [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Barrayar"]) Voice quality in and out is excellent - speaker phone (listening) is so-so. Reception/transmission is great. There may be some better but this is way above average (longer antenna -- half wave instead of quarter?) -Quick > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Happy Louie said: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > "Damnit, Vaagen, You never told me the little bugger was going to be > hyperactive!" (Cordelia Vorkosigan [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Barrayar"]) Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: ; Voice quality in and out is excellent - speaker phone ; (listening) is so-so. ; Reception/transmission is great. There may be some ; better but this is way above average (longer antenna -- ; half wave instead of quarter?) That's great to hear. No installed car kit, I expect, but I can work around that. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "In those days spirits were brave, the stakes were high, men were real men, women were real women and small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri." (HHGTTG, Douglas Adams) All the reviews on the car kit (no installed one) are that its great -- except that you will want to get the Radio Shack extension cable so that you can put the mike on your visor. I guess it comes with some sort of stalk thing that plugs into the speaker housing thats attached to the cigarette lighter plug. I guess the "elite" car solution is a Pro Clip with the OEM car kit. Then you can do everything (except hang up) by voice! "Wake up", "Mom's cell", ... All the voice stuff except the "Wake up" part will work even if its not plugged into power (constantly monitoring for the wake up phrase would drain a battery in a flash). car kit or earset you get "incoming call, answer?". pretty well done. -Quick > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Centauri were real small furry creatures from Alpha Centauri." > (HHGTTG, Douglas Adams) Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: ; plug. I guess the "elite" car solution is a Pro Clip with the ; OEM car kit. Then you can do everything (except hang up) Do you mean this one: http://store.kyocera-wireless.com/product_detail.asp?sku=TXCKT10013&discount%5Fn ame=KWCWEB&mscssid=7SREC3SFS6239KNBESA5QXQ6CGCW88R5 ; by voice! "Wake up", "Mom's cell", ... All the voice stuff ; except the "Wake up" part will work even if its not plugged ; into power (constantly monitoring for the wake up phrase ; would drain a battery in a flash). car kit or earset you get ; "incoming call, answer?". pretty well done. I did not know the phone has that level of voice recognition. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "Emilio Lizardo. Wasn't he on TV once?" "You're thinking of Mr. Wizard." "Emilio Lizardo is a top scientist, dumbkopf." "So was Mr. Wizard." (Perfect Tommy, Buckaroo Banzai and Reno, "Buckaroo Banzai") Yep, that would be the one. I'll plug Dan's Cellular Accessories, he has an eBay store. The phone does great on voice recognition and you can train it for any of the key words which means that "yes" doesn't have to be "yes"... for the "yes" keyword you can train it for "OK fine" instead. The algorithm on top of it is nice too. I have "John Doe's Cell" for a voice tag. It finds it when I say forget and say "Doe's Cell", repeats "John Doe's Cell" and asks for confirmation... to which I can say "OK fine" -:) -Quick > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: > > ; plug. I guess the "elite" car solution is a Pro Clip with the > ; OEM car kit. Then you can do everything (except hang up) > > Do you mean this one: http://store.kyocera-wireless.com/product_detail.asp?sku=TXCKT10013&discount %5Fname=KWCWEB&mscssid=7SREC3SFS6239KNBESA5QXQ6CGCW88R5 > ; by voice! "Wake up", "Mom's cell", ... All the voice stuff > ; except the "Wake up" part will work even if its not plugged [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Wizard." "Emilio Lizardo is a top scientist, dumbkopf." "So was Mr. > Wizard." (Perfect Tommy, Buckaroo Banzai and Reno, "Buckaroo Banzai") I think its wonderful as both a phone and PDA and the two are very well integrated. The more of a Palm "power user" you are the more you will appreciate it. There are some differences since the Palm side is integrated with the phone side -- you can't just slap on *all* 3rd party palm apps that might work on a pda only palm. Thats the reason for the comment above. I'd recommend browsing www.smartphonesource.com/vbulletin -Quick > I'm having some problems with my T720 and installed car kit, where the > phone will periodically simply turn off (not power down!) when sitting [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > [reading] "Declaration of War... the short form." (President Widmark, > "Buckaroo Banzai") Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: ; I think its wonderful as both a phone and PDA and the two ; are very well integrated. The more of a Palm "power user" ; you are the more you will appreciate it. There are some differences I don't know how much of a "power user" I am, but I do depend on my Palm for things. ; since the Palm side is integrated with the phone side -- you ; can't just slap on *all* 3rd party palm apps that might work ; on a pda only palm. Thats the reason for the comment above. I expect that standard apps will all work no problem, the biggest worry would be the hacks, and maybe my overclocker. ; I'd recommend browsing www.smartphonesource.com/vbulletin Thanks for the link. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "Think of all the work he represents on somebody's part. Nine months of pregnancy, childbirth, two years of diapering, and that's just the beginning. Tens of thousands of meals, thousands of bedtime stories, years of school. Dozens of teachers ... A lot of people went into making him." (Boni [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Shards of Honor"]) Well, there are a boatload of people complaining about frequent resets/crashes. They have all loaded up various 3rd party stuff. For the most part they are in the same boat as the ones who used JackSprat and JackFlash to remove stuff from ROM and put other stuff back in ROM and then reported that they see an improvement in stability when they leave a couple of hundred K free in *ROM*... In the latest revision of the software Kyocera fixed some relatively small windows. Stuff like if you get an incoming call alert while hotsyncing the palm side will reset. There are some valid quirks like having datebook5 handle alarms instead of the Palm OS and having one go off while in a call. Another poster had Kyocera replace his because of frequent crashes. Later reports he is still getting frequent crashes. Even later reports that everything is fine now that he has removed Bebopper (very nice replacement MP3 player) and WebProV (browser ripped from a Tungsten update). I guess what I was saying is that its a Palm that Kyocera has tightly integrated with the phone. You can blow yourself up and its not the same as downloading GIN stuff. If you have some important Palm apps you will want to try them out during the trial period. -Quick -Quick > Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > years of school. Dozens of teachers ... A lot of people went into > making him." (Boni [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Shards of Honor"]) Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: ; Well, there are a boatload of people complaining about ; frequent resets/crashes. They have all loaded up various ; 3rd party stuff. For the most part they are in the same Which is one of the beauties of PalmOS... you can use third party apps. ; boat as the ones who used JackSprat and JackFlash ; to remove stuff from ROM and put other stuff back in ; ROM and then reported that they see an improvement ; in stability when they leave a couple of hundred K free in I'm not sure I follow the connection. The Jack* products can screw with the system ROM, thus making it easy to foul up the device. I haven't used their software since I started using a device with external storage because there isn't any need to squeeze the memory like before. Was there any particular app or combination of apps causing the crashes? Or did they just load it up to capacity without leaving enough "scratch space" for working memory? ; *ROM*... In the latest revision of the software Kyocera fixed ; some relatively small windows. Stuff like if you get an incoming ; call alert while hotsyncing the palm side will reset. There are ; some valid quirks like having datebook5 handle alarms instead ; of the Palm OS and having one go off while in a call. Another Oh? I'm a DateBk5 user. Current version, 5.1a. ; poster had Kyocera replace his because of frequent crashes. ; Later reports he is still getting frequent crashes. Even later ; reports that everything is fine now that he has removed ; Bebopper (very nice replacement MP3 player) and I'm not going to use it to play MP3s (I have an iPod for that), though I did see that they have a nifty util to make ringtones out of MP3s... ; WebProV (browser ripped from a Tungsten update). The original T|C, I hope. Though I was under the impression that Blazer is the best browser for PalmOS. No first hand knowledge, though. ; I guess what I was saying is that its a Palm that Kyocera ; has tightly integrated with the phone. You can blow yourself ; up and its not the same as downloading GIN stuff. If you After using GIN to get some ringtones, and then having to replace the phone +and not be able to transfer my downloaded items+ I've decided that GIN is a piece of crap. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "Technically, I'm not following you at all. I'm following Ghem-colonel Luyst Millisor, and the so charming Captain Rau, and their two goons-- ah, one goon. Millisor is interested in you, therefore I am too. Q.E.D.: Quinn Excites Dismay." (Commander Quinn [Lois McMaster Bujold, "Ethan of Athos"]) > ; boat as the ones who used JackSprat and JackFlash > ; to remove stuff from ROM and put other stuff back in [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > crashes? Or did they just load it up to capacity without leaving > enough "scratch space" for working memory? Ummm... err... you may be borderline -:) ROM is *read only* during operation. No programs can write to it. Thats why it doesn't make any sense to say things go better when you leave some free space in ROM. Doesn't matter if its full or not, you only read from it. RAM is where you need work space. > ; *ROM*... In the latest revision of the software Kyocera fixed > ; some relatively small windows. Stuff like if you get an incoming [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Oh? I'm a DateBk5 user. Current version, 5.1a. So am I, same version, and I have it set to datebook handles alarms. No problems but I don't know that I've ever had an alarm go off during a phone call. > The original T|C, I hope. Though I was under the impression that > Blazer is the best browser for PalmOS. No first hand knowledge, > though. There are 3 or 4 leaders and each has faults in different areas. Many people now run 2 or 3 and select depending on what they are doing. Xiino is fast but I can't do my online banking with it. WebProV does that but its slow, etc. -Quick Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: ; > I'm not sure I follow the connection. The Jack* products can screw ; > with the system ROM, thus making it easy to foul up the device. I ; > haven't used their software since I started using a device with ; > external storage because there isn't any need to squeeze the memory ; > like before. ; > ; > Was there any particular app or combination of apps causing the ; > crashes? Or did they just load it up to capacity without leaving ; > enough "scratch space" for working memory? ; ; Ummm... err... you may be borderline -:) ROM is *read only* ; during operation. No programs can write to it. Thats why it Hence part of the "not sure I follow the connection" bit. Though, I +think+ I remember from when I did use JackFlash on my old Palm IIIx that you should always leave some free space in the ROM. Maybe for filesystem padding? ; > Oh? I'm a DateBk5 user. Current version, 5.1a. ; So am I, same version, and I have it set to datebook ; handles alarms. No problems but I don't know that I've ; ever had an alarm go off during a phone call. The likelihood of that happening to me is rare, too. I set very few alarms. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "If it isn't Sergeant Bothari of Barrayar. And what did you bring me this time, Sergeant? A few nuclear antipersonnel mines, overlooked in your back pocket? A maser cannon or two, accidentally mixed up with your shaving kit? A gravitic imploder, slipped somehow into your boot?" (Betan customs agent [Lois McMaster Bujold, "The Warriors Apprentice"]) >Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Quick said: > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >; Ummm... err... you may be borderline -:) ROM is *read only* >; during operation. No programs can write to it. Thats why it It ain't really ROM, it's Flash on most PalmOS machines. <snip> >Jeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org >The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol >"If it isn't Sergeant Bothari of Barrayar. And what did you bring me >this time, Sergeant? A few nuclear antipersonnel mines, overlooked in >your back pocket? A maser cannon or two, accidentally mixed up with >your shaving kit? A gravitic imploder, slipped somehow into your boot?" "Stay away from the sale on neutron hand grenades." "Heh." >(Betan customs agent [Lois McMaster Bujold, "The Warriors Apprentice"]) -- Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT. > It ain't really ROM, it's Flash on most PalmOS machines. Yes. Valid technical nit (otherwise you couldn't do anything with it with the likes of JackFlash and JackSprat). As far as normal application type programs writing to it there is no difference. -Quick > Does anyone have the Kyocera 7135? <snip>How is it as a Palm PDA? It's OS 4.1, so since all the WiFi SDIO cards will only work with OS5, you woun't have WiFi. Processor's slow (but then, _every_ PDA Phone processor is slow. The lead time for cellular design is much longer than PDA design.) Screen res is only 160 squared. Despite those minor hassles, it's the best available North American PDA phone, IMHO, because it has analog.. and also SD memory, so you can add new documents or do a backup in the field. Go for it, dude. Make me envious. -- Nobody but a fool goes into a federal counterrorism operation without duct tape - Richard Preston, THE COBRA EVENT. Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, yeltrabnhoj@email.com said: ; > Does anyone have the Kyocera 7135? <snip>How is it as a Palm PDA? ; ; It's OS 4.1, so since all the WiFi SDIO cards will only work with OS5, you ; woun't have WiFi. I don't use WiFi anyway. ; Processor's slow (but then, _every_ PDA Phone processor is slow. The lead ; time for cellular design is much longer than PDA design.) It's got the same speed processor as my Clie. As long as I can run FastCPU to selectively overclock applications, it should be fine. ; Screen res is only 160 squared. That is a detriment. I've gotten used to the 320x320 of the Clie. OTOH, the Treo 600 with OS5 also has a 160x160 display. SignatureJeffrey Kaplan <*> www.gordol.org The from userid is killfiled <*> Send personal mail to gordol "Commander..." "Do not hug me!" (Dr. Bashir and Lt. Cmdr. Worf, ST:DS9 "Let He Who Is Without Sin...") We have a number of 6035's and 7135's in our office. Everyone loves 'em both. Among the accessories you can get is a data cable for $29.95. It allows you to use the phone as a modem. You also can use it to sync to a computer without using the little docking charger. Many folks don't realize you can sync to two computers, with the phone updating both of them. The cable is less expensive than buying a second cradle and thus provides an ideal way to do this. -Paul- |
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