Possible for v60P on a non-PTT account??

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Jim Pank - 25 Jan 2004 14:37 GMT

Has anyone had RECENT success with adding a PTT-disabled v60P to a
non-PTT account?

I read that it was possible to activate early on, but that VZW no
longer allows it.

Any experinces?

TIA.......

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Al Klein - 25 Jan 2004 20:09 GMT

>Has anyone had RECENT success with adding a PTT-disabled v60P to a
>non-PTT account?

>I read that it was possible to activate early on, but that VZW no
>longer allows it.

>Any experinces?

They haven't allowed it for many months now. But the v60s is the same
phone as the v60p, with the PTT button programmed to be a soft key.

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John Phillips - 26 Jan 2004 15:50 GMT

> >Has anyone had RECENT success with adding a PTT-disabled v60P to a
> >non-PTT account?
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> They haven't allowed it for many months now. But the v60s is the same
> phone as the v60p, with the PTT button programmed to be a soft key.

could you buy a v60s and have the phone reprogrammed to a v60p when you have
some one to PTT to? Seems kind of stupid to not let users migrate one phone
at a time.

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Al Klein - 27 Jan 2004 04:51 GMT

>could you buy a v60s and have the phone reprogrammed to a v60p when you have
>some one to PTT to? Seems kind of stupid to not let users migrate one phone
>at a time.

Technically, I would think so (no guarantee). Getting someone at
Verizon to put the latest V60P firmware into a V60S might be a
problem.

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Jim Pank - 28 Jan 2004 19:28 GMT

>>could you buy a v60s and have the phone reprogrammed to a v60p when you have
>>some one to PTT to? Seems kind of stupid to not let users migrate one phone
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>Verizon to put the latest V60P firmware into a V60S might be a
>problem.

No need for that; it can be done by the user by using the correct
sequence of menus and options.

And I think I found my answer at hofo. Seems that VZW allowed you to
activate a v60p on a non-PTT account for abour two weeks when the 60P
first came out.

Then VZW stopped allowing it by blocking out the ESN range of 60P in
their computer system system, and only alloed the 60P ESNs to be
activated on PTT accounts..

But when the 60S appeared (~12/26/03), it seems that VZW removed the
ESN block from their system, since the 60P is just a rebadged 60S with
different firmware but the same original ESN....

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Stanley Cline - 29 Jan 2004 01:18 GMT

> But when the 60S appeared (~12/26/03), it seems that VZW removed the
> ESN block from their system, since the 60P is just a rebadged 60S with
> different firmware but the same original ESN....

You got it reversed -- the v60s is a "neutered" v60p. :)

There have been other rumors on HoFo that Mot/VZW may soon have new
firmware for the v60p that will allow it to be used with or without PTT,
basically making the v60s (only a small number of which were made)
unnecessary. It might even be possible *now* for VZW to flash a p with
"s" firmware to disable PTT, who knows...

-SC

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Jim Pank - 29 Jan 2004 12:19 GMT

>> But when the 60S appeared (~12/26/03), it seems that VZW removed the
>> ESN block from their system, since the 60P is just a rebadged 60S with
>> different firmware but the same original ESN....
>
>You got it reversed -- the v60s is a "neutered" v60p. :)

Yup, I had that back-asswards.

Pull up the sticker on a 60s, and you'll find a sticker for a 60P....

>There have been other rumors on HoFo that Mot/VZW may soon have new
>firmware for the v60p that will allow it to be used with or without PTT,
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>-SC

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AximGuy - 29 Jan 2004 14:32 GMT

> There have been other rumors on HoFo that Mot/VZW may soon have new
> firmware for the v60p that will allow it to be used with or without PTT,
> basically making the v60s (only a small number of which were made)
> unnecessary. It might even be possible *now* for VZW to flash a p with
> "s" firmware to disable PTT, who knows...

Might help them dump all those v60p's in stock too.
Not too many people seem to be going after PTT.

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Al Klein - 30 Jan 2004 05:27 GMT

>> But when the 60S appeared (~12/26/03), it seems that VZW removed the
>> ESN block from their system, since the 60P is just a rebadged 60S with
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>unnecessary. It might even be possible *now* for VZW to flash a p with
>"s" firmware to disable PTT, who knows...

PTT *is* disabled on the P if the plan isn't PTT. You push the PTT
button and get a "the network isn't available" message on the screen.

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Al Klein - 30 Jan 2004 04:24 GMT

>>>could you buy a v60s and have the phone reprogrammed to a v60p when you have
>>>some one to PTT to? Seems kind of stupid to not let users migrate one phone
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>No need for that; it can be done by the user by using the correct
>sequence of menus and options.

Such as?

>And I think I found my answer at hofo. Seems that VZW allowed you to
>activate a v60p on a non-PTT account for abour two weeks when the 60P
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>their computer system system, and only alloed the 60P ESNs to be
>activated on PTT accounts..

Since my V60Ps were bought on a non-PTT plan after that was
disallowed, but long before the V60S was even announced, it couldn't
have been a computer change.

>But when the 60S appeared (~12/26/03), it seems that VZW removed the
>ESN block from their system, since the 60P is just a rebadged 60S with
>different firmware but the same original ESN....

Or they still don't allow the P to be sold on a non-PTT plan, but they
allow the S to be. Which would be kind of stupid, but they've done
things even more stupid in the past.

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George - 30 Jan 2004 14:51 GMT

>>>Technically, I would think so (no guarantee). Getting someone at
>>>Verizon to put the latest V60P firmware into a V60S might be a
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>
>Such as?

Al,

See the two posts about this on Howard Forums at
<http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=221192&highlight=%2Bv60p+
%2Bping>
by frail date stamped 10-16-2003 22:16 and DemonMucha date stamped
10-18-2003 03:16 for a keystroke procedure which is supposed to turn
off the PTT initialization in V60p phones. I have not tried this
procedure and do not know if it works, but it seems simple and several
folks on Howard Forums and on the Wireless Advisor forums have said
that it works. Try it only at your own risk or contact one of them
for more information.

George

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Al Klein - 31 Jan 2004 02:40 GMT

>>>No need for that; it can be done by the user by using the correct
>>>sequence of menus and options.

>>Such as?

>Al,

>See the two posts about this on Howard Forums at
><http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=221192&highlight=%2Bv60p+
%2Bping>

Thanks.

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