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bex - 23 Jun 2005 04:19 GMT My 'anniversary' for NE2 is mid-August, so naturally I've been thinking about whether to get a new phone and which one. I've used only Motorola phones thus far, and I have accessories that I'd like to continue to use, such as chargers and a data cable. Those accessories were compatible with a v120c and v60p/s. MAIN QUESTION: Does anyone know if the currently-offered Motorola phones use the same connectors?
Beyond that, I'm really not sure which phone to get, so I'd of course appreciate any constructive opinions on the matter. According to phonescoop my potential Motorola options include the v710, the v265, a840, and e815 (whenever it gets released). I don't want to spend more than ~$100 out of pocket, so the a840 and e815 may be out of the running, especially since the e815 hasn't even been priced yet. Should I look at another brand? The signal, voice clarity, and battery life are the most important to me. I thought I'd definitely want tri-mode but honestly I think I've only ever made ONE analog call (which wasn't even important) so perhaps all-digital is okay.
I'd really like a RAZR or PEBL but I'm not even considering them for several obvious reasons...
TIA, R
Larry W4CSC - 24 Jun 2005 03:31 GMT "bex" <rwagaman @ rcnREMOVE . com> wrote in news:LaCdnQJdZK6jtyffRVn- hQ@rcn.net:
> Does anyone know if the currently-offered > Motorola phones use the same connectors? Of course not! How can they sell you $300 in new accessories if the damned phones used the same batteries/chargers/accessories like all the old Moto flipphones did for so many years?
Follow the M-o-n-e-y!....We give you the phones and rip you for a $30 cord....
 Signature Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk.
bex - 24 Jun 2005 04:05 GMT > "bex" <rwagaman @ rcnREMOVE . com> wrote in news:LaCdnQJdZK6jtyffRVn- > hQ@rcn.net: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Follow the M-o-n-e-y!....We give you the phones and rip you for a $30 > cord.... Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in the air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought you still used a bag phone?
Cheers, Bex
Larry W4CSC - 25 Jun 2005 02:35 GMT > Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in the > air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought you still used a bag phone? Look at the rack of batteries in any cellphone store.....answers your own question. Do they fit in the old pouches?...no. Do the 6 batteries you paid $80 apiece for to get the big capacity fit?...no. Will the new phone drop in your old $150 quickcharger....no.
There seems to be a new trick, now....CHANGE COMPANIES ENTIRELY....We'll sell LG this period, Audiovox next, Moto another....
 Signature Larry
You know you've had a rough night when you wake up and you're outlined in chalk.
Quick - 25 Jun 2005 03:25 GMT >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking >> a stab in the air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > ENTIRELY....We'll sell LG this period, Audiovox next, > Moto another.... You really don't get it do you Larry? They could care less if you buy new phones or accessories. In fact they would love to be out of the business of selling (and having to service) equipment completely. There isn't any money in it for them and it's basically just a pain.
Listen closely: Their business is selling services. Basic cell service, txt and pic messaging, data, etx. Services, not hardware. That's where the money is at. They are more or less forced to subsidize and sell equipment to enable customers to buy their services. In fact they lose money on selling equipment and accessories. It's public record but I'm sure you don't want to look at it. Go back to your tired old rants about removing chairs from the waiting rooms and such. At least that was mildly amusing and had some basis and warped truth to it.
-Quick
SOME BAD HAT HARRY - 25 Jun 2005 14:58 GMT > >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking > >> a stab in the air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > -Quick They "lose money selling equipment?" I guess bar lose money selling brews at $2.50 apiece too, eh? IF they lose anything on hardware, they make that up many times over at the other end but the consumer buys from both ends. No, there's very little done anymore for the consumer and everything aimed at profits.........big profits. Checked the gas pump lately?
George - 25 Jun 2005 17:31 GMT > They "lose money selling equipment?" I guess bar lose money selling brews at > $2.50 apiece too, eh? > IF they lose anything on hardware, they make that up many times over at the > other end but the consumer buys from both ends. No, there's very little done > anymore for the consumer and everything aimed at profits.........big > profits. Checked the gas pump lately? I can't say anthing about oil but cellular communications is certainly the cheapest it has ever been. It was not that long ago that it cost $1.00/minute to make a call and not unusual to find youself having to make a call in a roaming area and find it cost $3.00/minute. It costs a whopping $0.06/minute with my current plan and there is a very minimal chance I would ever need to roam.
SOME BAD HAT HARRY - 26 Jun 2005 15:00 GMT > > They "lose money selling equipment?" I guess bar lose money selling brews at > > $2.50 apiece too, eh? [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > whopping $0.06/minute with my current plan and there is a very minimal > chance I would ever need to roam. I have to admit you're right. Even though prices have not dropped much lately, they did have a period where they fell drastically. I'm sure this was to get the mainstream in and not make the service elite anymore. A perfect example of dropping prices, involving more consumers and making more money in the end. Perfect for everyone.
bex - 25 Jun 2005 04:59 GMT >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in the >> air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought you still used a bag phone? [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > There seems to be a new trick, now....CHANGE COMPANIES ENTIRELY....We'll > sell LG this period, Audiovox next, Moto another.... Larry, I really don't want to make this personal, because I've read a lot of your posts and I know you're intelligent. But I'm pretty gorram sure you're pulling all of this out of your a.s without actually *knowing* an answer. Please don't pretend to have a real answer when you're just spouting opinion - it's not helpful. I totally understand your point about the accessories as a concept but you aren't providing me with the simple, applicable information which I am seeking. When I looked at a v710 today in store, it appeared that the ports may very well be the same as what I'm used to. THAT is potentially valuable information.
I didn't ask about batteries. Any idiot knows you can't use the same fitted case for a phone with a different form factor. I don't know what the frig you're talking about 6 batteries for. Or $150 for a charger. That's lunacy.
Rebecca
SOME BAD HAT HARRY - 25 Jun 2005 15:00 GMT > >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in the > >> air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought you still used a bag phone? [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > Rebecca If you looked at the phone and you had a sales rep there drooling for a sales, why not ask them and we could have avoided this whole mes..?
bex - 25 Jun 2005 15:31 GMT >> >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in the >> >> air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought you still used a bag phone? [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > If you looked at the phone and you had a sales rep there drooling for a > sales, why not ask them and we could have avoided this whole mes..? Look, when I posted the question I HAD NOT seen any phones yet.
Drooling. Hah. In the corporate store I visited one person asked if I needed help and I said "not yet". I was in there for twenty minutes handling various phones, looking at plan literature, and not one rep came to me. They weren't busy either. On the other hand, I did visit a store that I promised myself I'd never purchase from due to a dick that worked there two years ago.
R
TeddeLI - 25 Jun 2005 16:02 GMT >> If you looked at the phone and you had a sales rep there drooling for a >> sales, why not ask them and we could have avoided this whole mes..? [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >I promised myself I'd never purchase from due to a dick that worked there >two years ago. Actually, you are probably much better off reading this (even with its idiots) and the Howard forums and doing what you did in the store rather than listening to a salesperson.
Many sales people are just tha, salespeoplet. I find that they have limited knowledge about the products they sell. When I purchased a new car last month I found that after doing my research, I knew much more about it than the sales people I dealt with.
SOME BAD HAT HARRY - 26 Jun 2005 15:03 GMT > >> >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in the > >> >> air (albeit a reasonable one!)? I thought you still used a bag phone? [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > R Understood. I don't visit our local store much but each time I go in, there is almost a guy there opening the door and before I get to the counter, there's another asking if I need help. Problem is, I usually get the cute girl with the gum who looks the part but can't tell me the specifics. Then again, that might not be all bad either. If you get the 710, give us a rundown of your opinion. I'm about to go there myself.
bex - 27 Jun 2005 00:11 GMT >> >> >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in > the [quoted text clipped - 63 lines] > again, that might not be all bad either. If you get the 710, give us a > rundown of your opinion. I'm about to go there myself. Okay. I'm almost definitely going to get the e815 as long as the arrival time isn't toooo late and the pricing is what's been posted on HOFO. The 710 I looked at in the store seemed like a decent possibility except I was duly UNimpressed by the keypad, which was falling apart in 3 of the 4 store models I've seen (two stores). I'm not abusive to my phones, but I'd be an unhappy camper if that happened to me. One rep yesterday told me, when asked, that yes, a lot of people had returned their v710s for that reason. Could have been from the primary batch, though, since I understand the phone went through some hardware and software refinement since it was introduced.
Rebecca
SOME BAD HAT HARRY - 27 Jun 2005 00:38 GMT Something to think about for sure. Good luck with the new one.
> >> >> >> Larry, do you actually know this or are you just taking a stab in > > the [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > > Rebecca George - 24 Jun 2005 17:35 GMT > My 'anniversary' for NE2 is mid-August, so naturally I've been thinking > about whether to get a new phone and which one. I've used only Motorola > phones thus far, and I have accessories that I'd like to continue to use, > such as chargers and a data cable. Those accessories were compatible with a > v120c and v60p/s. MAIN QUESTION: Does anyone know if the currently-offered > Motorola phones use the same connectors? My buddy said his v60 cables worked with his new v710.
> Beyond that, I'm really not sure which phone to get, so I'd of course > appreciate any constructive opinions on the matter. According to phonescoop [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > made ONE analog call (which wasn't even important) so perhaps all-digital is > okay. I have had no need for analog for at least the past year. Previously I would sometimes go to an area where the roaming partner was analog only but they have added 1X digital to their system and no longer feature bag phones on their web site.
> I'd really like a RAZR or PEBL but I'm not even considering them for several > obvious reasons... > > TIA, > R nolonemo@yahoo.com - 24 Jun 2005 20:20 GMT The DataPilot website has a list of Moto phones that use the same data cable. I believe the 120c cable is shown as compatible with the v265. Check the site out. Don't know about charging, though.
bex - 25 Jun 2005 15:46 GMT > The DataPilot website has a list of Moto phones that use the same data > cable. I believe the 120c cable is shown as compatible with the v265. > Check the site out. Don't know about charging, though. Ok, that's potentially helpful. I'm wondering if the verizon mobile office kit I have for v60p/s will work. Or at least the cables if not the software. I'm not versed in how the drivers do what they do to communicate with the phone.
Rebecca
nolonemo@yahoo.com - 25 Jun 2005 19:47 GMT You might be able to find out what phones your kit supports by firing it up and and poking around in the help...
bex - 25 Jun 2005 15:44 GMT >> My 'anniversary' for NE2 is mid-August, so naturally I've been thinking >> about whether to get a new phone and which one. I've used only Motorola [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > but they have added 1X digital to their system and no longer feature bag > phones on their web site. Thank you for some straightforward answers, George.
Rebecca
Skuzz - 27 Jun 2005 16:29 GMT The data cable will work fine. If the MobileOffice software itself doesn't work out-of-box, a driver update online will fix that. (All the mot phone's using the CE-Bus connector use very similar software - ie. v60, v710, t720, and even most GSM phones from other providers will communicate with a computer using the same data cable and softwre.)
With that said, all accessories that plug into the CE-bus connector on the bottom (chargers, FM radio headsets, etc) should work fine on any CE-bus based handset. Worst comes to worst, a device won't work, but nothing should be fried because Mot designed that port knowing it would be put on many phones and devices shouldn't accidentally fry themselves if connected to a phone with incompatible software.
Non-specialized headsets all hook to the 2.5mm jack on top, and every older mot headset should work on newer mot phones. The v710 and newer ones also have an enhanced 2.5mm jack that lets you plug specialized stereo headphone headsets in (with a fourth connector on the 2.5mm tip) for listening to mp3s off the TransFlash slot.
As Larry said, the batteries are different in almost every model phone.
The v265 and lower models aren't worth the money IMO. Tiny washed out passive matrix color screens. It's like having to look at words in a bucket of muddy water. Now that mot has worked out the kinks in their new handset OS however from the t720 fiasco, all of their handsets work MUCH better at reception, so any of the lot would probably work fine.)
Unless you travel to Europe very often, you are probably not going to need the a840. It's only benefit is that it can do GSM 900/1800 (europe/asia/etc.) and it does so by removing Bluetooth.
The Bluetooth enabled handsets are very nice to use, especially in conjunction with a good headset and their Motospeak voice dialing. I've taken my entire cell phone setup in my car (without need for 500 docks and wires) down to just the headset on my ear. I can make calls to anyone in my phonebook with the push of a button, and anybody not in my phonebook - still can go "digit dial" and say the phone number to the phone and it will call that way too. Very convenient.
I use a v710 myself (using accessories from a v551, v60p, v60i, and Nextel all interchangably with no problem) and I take quite good care of my handsets and have yet to have any problems with the keypad.
Skuzz
>>>My 'anniversary' for NE2 is mid-August, so naturally I've been thinking >>>about whether to get a new phone and which one. I've used only Motorola [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Rebecca bex - 28 Jun 2005 02:30 GMT > The data cable will work fine. If the MobileOffice software itself doesn't > work out-of-box, a driver update online will fix that. (All the mot [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Skuzz Skuzz, Thanks for posting this. What you wrote is both encouraging and very informative. I hope I can still use DUN with e815 (or is it capital E815) although I've seen that some say it's inactivated/crippled. It's a real shame Verizon doesn't give us a choice about what features the phones retain - from my own naive view it seems to me they should offer it with the features that motorola put in there, perhaps at extra cost, if they're so worried about every little pix and vcast and stuff I'm not even going to use.
I agree about the v265 and I'm not even considering it. Just E815 and V710; V710 only if there's a major problem with the E815 and/or I can't get it until, say, September, not that I expect any real problems.
I'm not sure why I keep reading that people dislike the...what did you call it...oh, there, CE-Bus connector. Doesn't bother me any. And I prefer the charging port the way it is because it's nice and secure. I've only had two minor issues: I bought an aftermarket car charger a couple of years ago and it didn't work because the pins didn't stay connected somehow. The other was that after stepping on the end of the motorola travel charger 100 times it finally broke (but I fixed it easily with electrical tape - just the plastic piece that allows release).
I'll be curious to see what capabilities the transflash card has in terms of read/write.
Rebecca
Richard Ness - 28 Jun 2005 04:10 GMT Bex,
If I'm not mistaken, the 815 will be EVDO. I'd wait.
>> The data cable will work fine. If the MobileOffice software itself >> doesn't work out-of-box, a driver update online will fix that. (All the [quoted text clipped - 68 lines] > > Rebecca Skuzz - 28 Jun 2005 13:14 GMT Yeah Provided Verizon doesn't do something über-retarded and finds new ways to cripple the handset the e815 is prob the way to go....buuuut...even if it's a new handset based on old design there are often bugs in the first release. The v710 had a rotated camera that was like 1/2 a degree off-center, the v60c had glitches galore and a text message bombing bug, the v60i had the text bombing bug still and a few less glitches, the t720...well...'nuff said.
So if you want to hold out for the e815 i'd budget an extra month or two after it comes out before purchasing just to make sure there's not some first-release fatal flaw.
Regarding the handset feature locking/crippling, that angers me. They should let customers have choices, not do the darth-vader approach to wireless. Of course I'm sure they claim this is to guarantee data revenue from their walled-garden data choices which is kinda funny. I was reading an article in WirelessWeek where Cingular's CEO committed to continuing a hands-off approach to wireless data products, allowing unrelated third parties to sell their products through Cingular's network, and they're actually going ahead and setting up a go-between commerce/standards system to help out the unrelated third parties market their products to Cingular customers. Cingular still has the highest ARPU (annual revenue per user) of the two big playas in data. (VZ/Cing) Not that we as consumers care that they're successfully making more money off their data customers, but as long as they are making a good profit on data, chances are they won't be as inclined to do Verizon's lock-users-out-of-every-phone-feature methodology. (Which is really nice, the Cingular handset I had was full unlocked bluetooth, full unlocked Java, full unlocked text, web browser, MMS, every setting on the handset could be user-defined if need be...unfortunately every person I know uses Verizon, so I had to be "in"...) Verizon should take lessons from them but I think their mindset is hardcore American proprietary-everything to the death, just like the Qualcomm technology their network's based on. Anyway that was a bit off-topic as far as individual mot handsets go...hmm...
Skuzz
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